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Old 06-02-2015, 02:07 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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"measure that would allow some public officials in North Carolina to opt out of performing gay marriages moved closer to becoming law on Monday, when lawmakers voted to override Republican Governor Pat McCrory’s veto of the bill."

Backwards March!
I'd like to see their "flawed reasoning" come back to bite them in the rear. Imagine, the first gay magistrate who will only sanction gay marriage and will not marry a straight couple because of his or her "so-called" religious beliefs. The state assembly would be saying "Ah,ah ...no we didn't mean it to do this!" Well, too bad - so sad, it can apply to the reverse situation!

 
Old 06-02-2015, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Southport
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Religious beliefs are a civil right. Also your comparison doesn't work, there is a difference between a private business and the government. The government is not allowed to decide which religious beliefs are valid and which ones aren't.
No, freedom to practice the religion of your choosing is a civil right. And there's nothing about this situation that constitutes the "government" deciding anything about the validity of anyone's religious beliefs.
 
Old 06-02-2015, 02:28 PM
 
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No, freedom to practice the religion of your choosing is a civil right. And there's nothing about this situation that constitutes the "government" deciding anything about the validity of anyone's religious beliefs.
The very act of having religious beliefs is "practicing the religion of your choosing". The government is telling the magistrate "your beliefs are invalid, you must perform this ceremony" so yes, it is making a decision about the validity of someone's belief.
 
Old 06-02-2015, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Southport
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The very act of having religious beliefs is "practicing the religion of your choosing". The government is telling the magistrate "your beliefs are invalid, you must perform this ceremony" so yes, it is making a decision about the validity of someone's belief.
Thats not what the Constitution says.
 
Old 06-02-2015, 03:00 PM
 
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Thats not what the Constitution says.
You mean the part about "prohibiting the free exercise thereof". Having a belief and exercising a belief are synonymous.
 
Old 06-02-2015, 03:20 PM
 
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NC is becoming Alabama.
 
Old 06-02-2015, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Southport
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You mean the part about "prohibiting the free exercise thereof". Having a belief and exercising a belief are synonymous.
Exercising your belief does not allow you to deny someone else their rights.
 
Old 06-02-2015, 03:48 PM
 
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"measure that would allow some public officials in North Carolina to opt out of performing gay marriages moved closer to becoming law on Monday, when lawmakers voted to override Republican Governor Pat McCrory’s veto of the bill."
I say congratulations to the legislature -- well done!
 
Old 06-02-2015, 04:48 PM
 
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NC is becoming Alabama.
If your party's policies are so popular, why did you lose big in the last two state elections, even as our state's urban areas have supposedly grown more blue? Judging by your frequent political posts, you must be one of those goons who attends the Moral Monday protests.
 
Old 06-02-2015, 05:00 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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The very act of having religious beliefs is "practicing the religion of your choosing". The government is telling the magistrate "your beliefs are invalid, you must perform this ceremony" so yes, it is making a decision about the validity of someone's belief.
Brad, you're at it again.

Under British rule. people who were not Anglicans were called Dissenters. Dissenters did not qualify for the same rights as Anglicans. The freedom to practice religion means that you can not be classified as a citizen with lesser rights because of your religion. That does not give you the right to push your religion down the throats of others as they do in Rowan County & it doesn't give you the right to deny someone a service that your job requires you to provide just because. . .

If the magistrates don't want to perform their duties for everyone, let them find another job.
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