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I guess we will see how much it hurts the state...I don't believe it has so far and doubt it will in the future. I hope this round of national conservatism plays itself out soon (it hasn't just been NC). The party seems to be on the decline due to its unpopular social viewpoints, so hopefully we won't see a long-term conservative climate in NC.
Are you aware we never even got serious consideration for the Volvo plant that went to SC because of the general assembly's inaction on incentives? Do you realize what a loss that is for NC?
Those kinds of policies can have an effect on the state, but don't you think that the next governor and/or legislature will quickly fix whatever harm has been done? I have little faith that these things aren't forever and can easily change in the near future.
Given the redistricting that the republicans enacted in 2012, i think we may be in store for an extended period of conservation control of state government.
I believe that the current changes put in will hurt the state in the long run. Some mention retirees as still willing to come. I think you need to check that out more because a flat tax does not help lower incomes, the increase in Real Estate, property and sales taxes also hurt lower incomes. The loss of deductions and the higher taxes on pension and SS has caused large differences between states.
Overall the changes will hurt NC.
The long run is exactly where the changes won't hurt NC. They might have some small negative effect in the near future, but so far I haven't seen anyone running for the borders. The film industry may take a hit, but hopefully the next legislature will see the harm done and reinstate the favorable policies. Education is very maligned right now, but I see the same in that area. I totally believe it will all even out with the next couple of elections.
I think I'm just a little bit calmer and maybe I've seen a bit more than some of the people lamenting the demise of our state. It gives me a little laugh every time I read these threads.
The long run is exactly where the changes won't hurt NC. They might have some small negative effect in the near future, but so far I haven't seen anyone running for the borders. The film industry may take a hit, but hopefully the next legislature will see the harm done and reinstate the favorable policies. Education is very maligned right now, but I see the same in that area. I totally believe it will all even out with the next couple of elections.
I think I'm just a little bit calmer and maybe I've seen a bit more than some of the people lamenting the demise of our state. It gives me a little laugh every time I read these threads.
Again, you think the general assembly will flip from a republican supermajority to a democrat majority in the next 2 election cycles? Even though the republicans were in charge of of the last redistricting? That gives me a laugh.
You love to talk about how control of state government constantly changes. When has the above scenario ever occurred in NC?
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NC is not and never will be "far right". Don't be ridiculous.
Politics a shade to the right will not affect tourism or growth in NC. They weren't affected when the atmosphere was a shade to the left (and there are about as many conservatives as liberals), so I'm not sure why anyone would think they would be affected now.
How many more of these silly threads can folks come up with? Just because your party isn't in power at the moment is no need to pout, but I have seen it many times from both sides. It's not that big of a deal.
Franklin Graham is doing his best to boost the right-wing religious image.
Franklin Graham is doing his best to boost the right-wing religious image.
Yeah, and if he keeps opening up his big fat mouth, Samaritan's Purse won't have enough loose change in it to pay the upcoming toll on I-77 to get from Charlotte to Statesville!
Are you aware we never even got serious consideration for the Volvo plant that went to SC because of the general assembly's inaction on incentives? Do you realize what a loss that is for NC?
Auto plants are in a race to the bottom usually. The irony is that they often have to close their factories after a short while because the quality of the workforce is lower and the money they have to spend on training and benefits is higher in the crummy states they move to, and it ends up not working out so much.
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The long run is exactly where the changes won't hurt NC. They might have some small negative effect in the near future, but so far I haven't seen anyone running for the borders. The film industry may take a hit, but hopefully the next legislature will see the harm done and reinstate the favorable policies. Education is very maligned right now, but I see the same in that area. I totally believe it will all even out with the next couple of elections.
I think I'm just a little bit calmer and maybe I've seen a bit more than some of the people lamenting the demise of our state. It gives me a little laugh every time I read these threads.
Why would it even out? There is no force pushing back against anything that has happened. They've just passed a law postponing the next state supreme court elections--so as to delay any chance at democrats getting elected that could overturn the state's district maps.
This sort of thing doesn't happen in the stable, safe, white bread America you may draw so much experience from. It happens in banana republics. See, I think the problem you're having is that the stability of the latter half of the 20th century in the first world is anomalous, historically. The pendulum has always shifted back in your life and you consider it a skeptical, rational view to think things will always be that way. But the skeptical, rational view unfortunately has to take into account... all the history before that point too, as well as all the countries outside the lens you're applying.
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Yeah, and if he keeps opening up his big fat mouth, Samaritan's Purse won't have enough loose change in it to pay the upcoming toll on I-77 to get from Charlotte to Statesville!
Yeah, Emissary, I'd like to see his PSA time go to the American Friends Service Committee. There's something to be said for a religion where their mantra is tolerance.
Auto plants are in a race to the bottom usually. The irony is that they often have to close their factories after a short while because the quality of the workforce is lower and the money they have to spend on training and benefits is higher in the crummy states they move to, and it ends up not working out so much.
Oh please. Name one auto plant that opened in the south in the past 15 years thats closed. You can't. Companies invest hundreds of millions of dollars for a short term investment. BMW's plant in SC has expanded 5 or 6 times, and is their largest production facility in the world.
Auto plants are in a race to the bottom usually. The irony is that they often have to close their factories after a short while because the quality of the workforce is lower and the money they have to spend on training and benefits is higher in the crummy states they move to, and it ends up not working out so much.
I don't know of any foreign auto plant that has set up shop in the South within the past two decades or so that has closed. The domestic auto plants are a different story though.
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You are a fool if you truly believe that anywhere in the United States is FAR RIGHT.
The west hasn't had a "Far Right" government since Franco and Salazar in the 1970s, unfortunately.
Neocons are firmly centrist and a slight dash to the right, just because they aren't a proletariat vanguard party with goals of eroding western civilization doesn't make them far right.
McCrory would have been considered a liberal in 1980 for perspective.
Now stop whining and shove it.
"Far right" (as is "far left") is relative within the context of U.S. politics. That much should be understood.
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