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Old 06-25-2015, 10:36 AM
 
Location: NC Piedmont
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No, its simply an easy target. Please don't delude yourself into thinking that removing the confederate battle flag from the statehouse grounds in Columbia is going to have anything other than a imperceptible impact on the problems of race relations and gun violence in this country.
That's true - removing it doesn't say much. But refusing to would speak volumes.
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Old 06-25-2015, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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People keep saying "learn your history of the flag!"

To that, I say don't cherry pick your history. I'm sure in the 1800's the flag represented freedom from the tyrannical Abraham Lincoln... But the 1900's during Jim crow, the flag most definitely represented segregation. So before lecturing the rest of us on history, stop cherry picking.
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Old 06-25-2015, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Savannah GA/Lk Hopatcong NJ
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If you think the United States is that bad then move somewhere else.
I don't think that is the thought the poster was conveying.

As the US Calvary forced marched thousands of Cherokee's from The Carolinas and Georgia to Oklahoma, countless lives lost along the way exactly what flag do you think the US Calvary was flying?? And that is just one example.

Should Native Americans demand Old Glory be taken down and not flown on their reservations?

The insanity has to stop.

The flag did not murder those 9 people, Dylann Roof did.
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Old 06-25-2015, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Southport
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I don't think that is the thought the poster was conveying.

As the US Calvary forced marched thousands of Cherokee's from The Carolinas and Georgia to Oklahoma, countless lives lost along the way exactly what flag do you think the US Calvary was flying?? And that is just one example.

Should Native Americans demand Old Glory be taken down and not flown on their reservations?

The insanity has to stop.

The flag did not murder those 9 people, Dylann Roof did.
This.
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Old 06-25-2015, 03:28 PM
 
Location: My House
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The issue with the flag is far more complicated than the murders of 9 people in a South Carolina church. The only reason this has come to a head is because the SC legislature were too dense to realize that people all over the country were going to see footage of the Battle Flag of Virginia, a symbol of the Confederacy put there to protest desegregation in the 1960s, high up over the half-staff flags of the US and SC. All while listening to coverage of a news story on 9 black people being murdered in cold blood at a prayer meeting in the oldest, most historically-relevant black church in Charleston by a 21yo white supremacist.

Why they thought people wouldn't notice that tells me that there are some pretty thick members of the SC legislature.

Removing that flag from the capitol grounds is the right thing to do. No, it will not end racial tension for all time or anything, but it is a tiny little step in the right direction.

This article is a very good read in light of this recent news story. It's VERY long, so it won't hold your attention span if you need everything in quickie soundbytes, but trust me... it's worth reading and taking awhile to consider it.

Don't freak out at the title. Nobody is actually talking about handing out cash to the families of former slaves (I know that's a big trigger for some people). It's more about how to make amends.

The Case for Reparations - The Atlantic
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Old 06-25-2015, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Southport
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Look closely at the flag these KKK members are using:

http://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3...0/3a28803r.jpg

And this one:

http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/107...eu6OdaTqu4Khww

That flag must come down!
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Old 06-25-2015, 03:48 PM
 
Location: My House
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Look closely at the flag these KKK members are using:

http://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3...0/3a28803r.jpg

And this one:

http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/107...eu6OdaTqu4Khww

That flag must come down!
Not really the same thing, carolinadawg.

This is the United States of America. Everyone who lives here has some sort of affiliation with the flag, whether they be natives or immigrants to this country.

The flag flies over our nation's capital, on all our military vessels, over state capitals, over schools... you get my point?

That would be like saying that since the KKK uses white sheets, we should all start using prints and bold colors. It's not like white linens in and of themselves are going to offend anyone.

A Klan uniform? Absolutely? A flag from an attempt to form a government purposely to have the right to continue slavery? Yes. That's going to offend people.

Why would it not? It's attached largely to hatred in the modern era.
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Old 06-25-2015, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Southport
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Not really the same thing, carolinadawg.

This is the United States of America. Everyone who lives here has some sort of affiliation with the flag, whether they be natives or immigrants to this country.

The flag flies over our nation's capital, on all our military vessels, over state capitals, over schools... you get my point?

That would be like saying that since the KKK uses white sheets, we should all start using prints and bold colors. It's not like white linens in and of themselves are going to offend anyone.

A Klan uniform? Absolutely? A flag from an attempt to form a government purposely to have the right to continue slavery? Yes. That's going to offend people.

Why would it not? It's attached largely to hatred in the modern era.
Umm, the government of the United States (represented by Old Glory) spent nearly 100 years purposefully giving people the right to continue slavery. Then spent another 50 years nearly finishing a genocidal campaign against native americans.

As I've said before, this situation isn't clear cut, and there is no good guy, and there is no bad guy. And a flag isn't even remotely the issue.
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Old 06-25-2015, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Just outside of Portland
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Thankfully, black and white people are focusing on the flag as a symbol of the cause of the tragedy, and not focusing on killing each other, or burning down the town.

That's what's behind the Confederate flag debate.
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Old 06-25-2015, 06:22 PM
 
Location: The 12th State
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Thankfully, black and white people are focusing on the flag as a symbol of the cause of the tragedy, and not focusing on killing each other, or burning down the town.

That's what's behind the Confederate flag debate.
Um don't speak to soon.
Arsonist Targets Predominantly Black Church in Charlotte, North Carolina - NBC News
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