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Old 02-21-2016, 09:42 AM
 
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Really?

YOU are the one who came back with, "This is the NC board, not the NY board.",

when the article CLEARLY states it is NATIONWIDE NOT just NY.
It's money and all about money. Want better teaches? pay more....want better schools, scores, etc, then invest in resources, support staff to assist with behavior, etc. All the bias/slanted and ridiculous studies in the world aren't even necessary. Of course these people have an agenda to twist data results to convey that any investment or additional money funneled into certain public schools is a waste. It's a sad attempt at redirecting money to repurpose for charter schools, basically to use public funding for criteria-based "private" like schools. It's great if you can get into one but essentially creating a bigger wedge between the haves and have-nots in education.

It takes money in combo with strong leaders that share a vision and oversight to manage and maximize resources. It is possible but when you have a group of people or so-called leaders hell-bent on destroying or see little value in the traditional public school system, the perception becomes reality. Is there waste? Absolutely. There is waste in every business, agency, etc., but the school system is unfairly scrutinized.

There is no secret to the sauce, it's the American way, if you want a better product then invest the resources and qualified folk top-to-bottom will show up. The current leadership sees no value in the product or demographic of poor or low-to-average income student, and substantial investments that don't yield instant success is framed as a waste.

This is a bigger problem for NC than most other states since our claim to fame or signature selling point is quality and premium education for a great value; K-12, CC and Univ/College. It has worked and propelled the state forward but the decline seems imminent. The decline isn't instant since we've built up some regional/national intellectual equity in recent decades but as the reputation wanes and the word-of-mouth disseminates, certain company relos, teachers and other folks who hold the state in high esteem will start to frown....matter of fact it's already happening.

Let's not forget this is still the "South" and the backwoods reputation is falsely and loosely referred to in several circles. Current events to support that perception doesn't help, whether true or not. The brand was damaged from years of lag with respect to civil rights, industrial progress, etc. We've made great strides but unfortunately any slippage allows those ridiculous perceptions to rebirth.

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Old 02-21-2016, 01:47 PM
 
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Really?
Yes, really
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Old 02-21-2016, 01:49 PM
 
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Are you willing to pay the SAME amount Mass does?

You are FREE to send them a check as often as you wish.

What is stopping you?
Foolish post. You missed the part about paying more for better schools. I'd need to see the improvement plan first. And this GA won't be providing that.
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Old 02-22-2016, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I'm a teacher and am considering moving back to NC. I've started to rethink this and have also been looking for jobs in VA, SC, and GA. But then again, my state of Missouri is one of the lowest paid states for teachers, so NC can't really be any worse.
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Old 02-22-2016, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Chapel Hill
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Try DC. They spend the most so they must be the best.
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Old 02-23-2016, 09:45 AM
 
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It's money and all about money. Want better teaches? pay more....want better schools, scores, etc, then invest in resources, support staff to assist with behavior, etc. All the bias/slanted and ridiculous studies in the world aren't even necessary. Of course these people have an agenda to twist data results to convey that any investment or additional money funneled into certain public schools is a waste. It's a sad attempt at redirecting money to repurpose for charter schools, basically to use public funding for criteria-based "private" like schools. It's great if you can get into one but essentially creating a bigger wedge between the haves and have-nots in education.

It takes money in combo with strong leaders that share a vision and oversight to manage and maximize resources. It is possible but when you have a group of people or so-called leaders hell-bent on destroying or see little value in the traditional public school system, the perception becomes reality. Is there waste? Absolutely. There is waste in every business, agency, etc., but the school system is unfairly scrutinized.

There is no secret to the sauce, it's the American way, if you want a better product then invest the resources and qualified folk top-to-bottom will show up. The current leadership sees no value in the product or demographic of poor or low-to-average income student, and substantial investments that don't yield instant success is framed as a waste.

This is a bigger problem for NC than most other states since our claim to fame or signature selling point is quality and premium education for a great value; K-12, CC and Univ/College. It has worked and propelled the state forward but the decline seems imminent. The decline isn't instant since we've built up some regional/national intellectual equity in recent decades but as the reputation wanes and the word-of-mouth disseminates, certain company relos, teachers and other folks who hold the state in high esteem will start to frown....matter of fact it's already happening.

Let's not forget this is still the "South" and the backwoods reputation is falsely and loosely referred to in several circles. Current events to support that perception doesn't help, whether true or not. The brand was damaged from years of lag with respect to civil rights, industrial progress, etc. We've made great strides but unfortunately any slippage allows those ridiculous perceptions to rebirth.

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Old 04-15-2016, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Winston-Salem
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Winston-Salem Journal reports that NC Supreme Court rules unanimously against legislature and for teachers: NC high court rules law violated veteran teachers' rights
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Old 04-15-2016, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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So Washington DC schools should be the best in the country? Wait a second they're bringing up the rear. Less than half of College freshman are prepared for the work. More money does not yield more achievement. Otherwise US students would be among the best in the world. They're not. We spend plenty for very mediocre results.
Inner city DC schools are not the best, but the DC suburbs (NoVa, Montgomery County, MD and Howard County) have many of the best public schools in the country. Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Alexandria, for example, is often #1 or in the top 5.
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Old 04-16-2016, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Danville, VA
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Winston-Salem Journal reports that NC Supreme Court rules unanimously against legislature and for teachers: NC high court rules law violated veteran teachers' rights
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Old 04-16-2016, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Winston-Salem
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At this point every victory counts.
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