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Old 04-22-2016, 08:57 AM
 
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Read the article and learn, grasshoppa.
Learn what? That article says exactly what I have been saying. You have no idea what you talking about.
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Old 04-22-2016, 08:58 AM
 
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My point is that the Democrat legislature picked it and supported it. They got their black reps and protected the white incumbents and were all hunky dory til they realized they had messed up big-time and tried to change it. By that point it was too late and the GOP wanted to keep it.

You can blame the GOP for keeping it and tweeking it, but the charge of gross "gerrymandering" is squarely on the Democrats in 1992.
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Old 04-22-2016, 09:04 AM
 
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As the article says, the Democrat-controlled legislature chose which plans to submit and were in full support of them. The Republican plan was rejected because it endangered Democrat incumbents.

Now that you're solely blaming the DOJ, I assume you've changed your mind about Republican culpability since your statement earlier this morning:
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(the republicans) have gerrymandered the state in ways the democrats never even thought about
Although, I do agree with you that Democrats often "never even think" about a lot of unintended consequences. Kind of like the Charlotte city activists so eager to make a trendy statement, that they unintentionally endanger the safety of women and girls.

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Old 04-22-2016, 10:27 AM
 
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As the article says, the Democrat-controlled legislature chose which plans to submit and were in full support of them. The Republican plan was rejected because it endangered Democrat incumbents.

Now that you're solely blaming the DOJ, I assume you've changed your mind about Republican culpability since your statement earlier this morning:

Although, I do agree with you that Democrats often "never even think" about a lot of unintended consequences. Kind of like the Charlotte city activists so eager to make a trendy statement, that they unintentionally endanger the safety of women and girls.
Sorry, your "logic" escapes me.

There was no "republican" plan. And I never ascribed any republican culpability, I merely pointed out that some republican members of the GA had put together the initial draft of a district that became the 12th.
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Old 04-22-2016, 11:03 AM
 
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That's precisely the problem with the ordinance. It made it impossible to stop or question someone in the wrong locker room until after they committed a crime. Until they touched someone, there would be no grounds for expulsion or arrest without a potential lawsuit. That's a major and dangerous repercussion that Charlotte ignored.
Ahh yes, you want the thought police. Got ya. So if the police think you're too dumb to own a gun, then they should prevent you from owning one.

You're making a damn mountain out of an anthill. Like I said previously, an otherwise law-abiding trans is the only group being punished. A person who commits sexual crimes won't be stopped by this law, because they aren't stopped by the other laws.
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Old 04-22-2016, 11:20 AM
 
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A person who commits sexual crimes won't be stopped by this law, because they aren't stopped by the other laws.
I'm not saying that the offender would give any consideration to the laws. It's the facility that would base it's behavior on it. If they could get sued by confronting suspicious characters, then they are not going to do it. Yes, sexual assault will continue regardless, but there's no need to codify a law that makes it harder to remove, arrest or convict predators found in sensitive areas.
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Old 04-22-2016, 11:43 AM
 
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I don't think that a lot of folks in NC understand to what extent this bill has made the state a laughingstock in the rest of the nation.
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Old 04-22-2016, 12:02 PM
 
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I don't like all of HB2, but I'm actually proud that we don't cave to politically correct nonsense as many other states seem to.
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Old 04-22-2016, 01:12 PM
 
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I'm not saying that the offender would give any consideration to the laws. It's the facility that would base it's behavior on it. If they could get sued by confronting suspicious characters, then they are not going to do it. Yes, sexual assault will continue regardless, but there's no need to codify a law that makes it harder to remove, arrest or convict predators found in sensitive areas.
It is not going to make it harder to do these things.

This is about one population, and you keep trying to force this "sexual predator" hypothetical.
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Old 04-22-2016, 01:12 PM
 
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I don't base my values on the opinions of others
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