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Looks like both Wake-to-Durham, Forsyth-to-Guilford, and Durham-to-Wake draw a similar percentage of county residents across the borders (over 10%). The problem is that Forsyth attracts less than 5% of Guilford residents. So the Triad’s fulcrum is off-kilter slightly, making the attraction weaker. Triangle will reform as a single MSA first. If it does.
There is enough commuters from Forsyth to Guilford to make a case for Greensboro and Winston-Salem being in the same metro even though Raleigh and Durham have a stronger case. The metro split actually helps Charlotte because it makes it look like the Charlotte metro is much larger.
There is enough commuters from Forsyth to Guilford to make a case for Greensboro and Winston-Salem being in the same metro even though Raleigh and Durham have a stronger case. The metro split actually helps Charlotte because it makes it look like the Charlotte metro is much larger.
He's saying the metro split of the Triangle makes it look like North Carolina's 2nd largest metro is is only at 1.1 million, which is half the pops of North Carolina's 1st largest metro at 2.3 million. This makes "outsiders", who may be unfamiliar with NC, think that Charlotte is much bigger than it is. Even some Charlotte residents are under this impression too.
1. Charlotte MSA- 2,300,000 people
2. Raleigh MSA - 1,100,000 people
3. Greensboro MSA - 740,000 people
4. Winston-Salem MSA - 670,000
5. Durham MSA - 542,000
He's saying the metro split of the Triangle makes it look like North Carolina's 2nd largest metro is is only at 1.1 million, which is half the pops of North Carolina's 1st largest metro at 2.3 million. This makes "outsiders", who may be unfamiliar with NC, think that Charlotte is much bigger than it is. Even some Charlotte residents are under this impression too.
1. Charlotte MSA- 2,300,000 people
2. Raleigh MSA - 1,100,000 people
3. Greensboro MSA - 740,000 people
4. Winston-Salem MSA - 670,000
5. Durham MSA - 542,000
I mean, okay...but I dont see how this "helps" Charlotte. It's not something Charlotte conspired with the government on. The Charlotte MSA is above 2.5 million currently, not sure where the 2.3 million number you get comes from. You're also comparing the Triangles CSA to Charlottes MSA, not really an apples to apples comparison.
I mean, okay...but I dont see how this "helps" Charlotte. It's not something Charlotte conspired with the government on. The Charlotte MSA is above 2.5 million currently, not sure where the 2.3 Million number you get comes from. You're also comparing the Triangles CSA to Charlottes MSA, not really an apples to apples comparison.
Okay, 2.5 million. Was going off memory. You seem to have missed the point entirely.
I mean, okay...but I dont see how this "helps" Charlotte. It's not something Charlotte conspired with the government on. The Charlotte MSA is above 2.5 million currently, not sure where the 2.3 million number you get comes from. You're also comparing the Triangles CSA to Charlottes MSA, not really an apples to apples comparison.
The larger point is Raleigh’s CSA is actually probably more comparable to Charlotte’s MSA. There are 4 counties outside Raleigh’s MSA with stronger commuting ties to Raleigh than Salisbury has to Charlotte. The current setup was built with a single nodal metro in mind, and therefore the numbers superficially favor those over multinodal metros.
He's saying the metro split of the Triangle makes it look like North Carolina's 2nd largest metro is is only at 1.1 million, which is half the pops of North Carolina's 1st largest metro at 2.3 million. This makes "outsiders", who may be unfamiliar with NC, think that Charlotte is much bigger than it is. Even some Charlotte residents are under this impression too.
1. Charlotte MSA- 2,300,000 people
2. Raleigh MSA - 1,100,000 people
3. Greensboro MSA - 740,000 people
4. Winston-Salem MSA - 670,000
5. Durham MSA - 542,000
If the Durham MSA is 542K and Raleigh is 1.1M then how did you come up with 2.1M from combining them? Same with Greensboro-Winston? The entire Triangle CSA doesn't even have 2.1M people. Are we comparing the Triangle CSA plus Fayetteville's MSA to the Charlotte MSA?
If we're talking MSAs (using 2010 official numbers as the gap is even larger by the latest estimates)
Charlotte MSA: 2.2M
Raleigh MSA: 1.1M, Durham MSA: 500K, Raleigh-Durham combined: 1.6M
Greensboro MSA: 700K, Winston MSA: 640K, Greensboro-Winston combined: 1.3M
If we're talking CSAs (2010)
Charlotte CSA: 2.4M
Triangle CSA: 1.9M
Triad CSA: 1.5M
Combining the metros you still get a significant distance of around 500K people. A distance that's increasing.
At the end of the day, the distance between Charlotte and the Triangle is about the same as the distance between the Triangle and the Triad, the Triad being slightly closer to the Triangle in population than the Triangle is to Charlotte. Claiming a 200K difference is size is quite disingenuous and overall just false by any measure. Also I doubt the people at the Census Bureau just decided "gee let's split the Triangle and Triad to make Charlotte look better".
I really don't get the high level of insecurity that Charlotte incites in some Triangle posters on these boards. If it's that important to be in the largest city then just move because at the City Limits, MSA, CSA, or any metric you use, the Triangle unlikely to become the state's largest area in this lifetime.
Outsiders for the most part recognize Charlotte and Raleigh as the two main metros in NC. They just correctly assume that Charlotte is larger, not twice as large. I've never heard anyone assume the difference was that large.
MSA’s are seldom understood by those that don’t live in them. And sometimes not even then. The city vs city thread is littered with discussions of Raleigh’s tier being with Jacksonville and OKC as opposed to Nashville.
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