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Old 06-08-2016, 11:01 AM
 
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IMO, many millennials have unrealistic expectations. Many of them expect to have too much too soon. Certainly not like my generation and especially generations prior.
So my Dad got a factory job at 18. A career job, that he still has 42 years later. He has a pension and a matching 401k. He has healthcare, better healthcare than public workers. Back then, you hit full salary in 6 weeks. He gets more vacation leave than public sector workers. So what exactly are millennials unrealistic expectations? I think all that want is the financial security that previous generations had. They were told if they stayed in school they would get it. Why should they be the first generation to have to sacrifice?

My parents paid $50 to birth their children. They paid $5 to take them to the doctor. I paid over $5000 to have my first child. I pay $125 to take her to the doctor. This isn't inflation. This is income redistribution.
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Old 06-08-2016, 11:56 AM
 
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You lose any credibility when you don't have a basic grasp on the facts. Teachers are 10 month employees. Also, being furloughed without pay for 2 months is a con, not a pro.
I apologize for the error, but the proposed pay level is still generous based on cost of living and teacher salary in the same region. Getting 2 months off in the summer is considered a benefit by the teachers I know.
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Old 06-08-2016, 12:19 PM
 
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I apologize for the error, but the proposed pay level is still generous based on cost of living and teacher salary in the same region. Getting 2 months off in the summer is considered a benefit by the teachers I know.
Nobody genuinely wishes they got furloughed without pay for 2 months every year. They just accept it, b/c they can't do anything about it and enjoy the time off. The truth is, this is a vestige of our agricultural economy, preserved by stubborn people.
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Old 06-08-2016, 12:33 PM
 
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Nobody genuinely wishes they got furloughed without pay for 2 months every year. They just accept it, b/c they can't do anything about it and enjoy the time off. The truth is, this is a vestige of our agricultural economy, preserved by stubborn people.
My son is in year-round school and I prefer it vastly. I think it's better for the students and teachers. Of course, they're still "furloughed," as you call it, the same amount, it's just broken up more.

Again, I believe most teachers actually do want the time off. Offer them a summer school position and a lot of them aren't going to take you up on it unless they're the sole breadwinner in a household and genuinely need it.
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Old 06-08-2016, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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"...the state has promised to provide every state employee with free health insurance after they retire, for life. But there’s one hitch: Not one penny has been set aside to pay those bills. How big a problem is that? It’s an unfunded liability of $26 billion that’s going to land on taxpayers’ doorsteps when the bills come due."
The state doesn't even pay free health insurance for CURRENT state employees, certainly not retired ones. That was once true, but has eroded with so many other state employee benefits. You might try actually researching the policies on the state personnel website or asking an actual state employee such things, instead of quoting links on the Internet that may be inaccurate.
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Old 06-08-2016, 01:18 PM
 
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The state doesn't even pay free health insurance for CURRENT state employees, certainly not retired ones. That was once true, but has eroded with so many other state employee benefits. You might try actually researching the policies on the state personnel website or asking an actual state employee such things, instead of quoting links on the Internet that may be inaccurate.
"The state will pay for your individual coverage under the non-contributory plan at retirement."
-2016 Teachers' and State Employees' Handbook


https://www.nctreasurer.com/ret/Bene...RShandbook.pdf
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Old 06-08-2016, 02:01 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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"The state will pay for your individual coverage under the non-contributory plan at retirement."
-2016 Teachers' and State Employees' Handbook


https://www.nctreasurer.com/ret/Bene...RShandbook.pdf
Yeah, and if you need coverage for your spouse, you'll pay up the ying-yang for it!
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Old 06-08-2016, 02:42 PM
 
Location: River's Edge Inn, Todd NC, and Lorgues France
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Yeah, and if you need coverage for your spouse, you'll pay up the ying-yang for it!
The spouse is free to look for other health insurance. If the spouse is not a state employee, why should they get the same health benefits?
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Old 06-08-2016, 03:25 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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The spouse is free to look for other health insurance. If the spouse is not a state employee, why should they get the same health benefits?
In states with better benefits, if you retire with your spouse on your insurance, you can maintain that coverage after retirement and many states provide that at no cost.
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Old 06-08-2016, 04:36 PM
 
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The state doesn't even pay free health insurance for CURRENT state employees, certainly not retired ones. That was once true, but has eroded with so many other state employee benefits. You might try actually researching the policies on the state personnel website or asking an actual state employee such things, instead of quoting links on the Internet that may be inaccurate.
That's not really true. The 70/30 and CDHP are still free for employees, at least assuming they do the "incentives". And retirees still get free health insurance. You are right in that they are nibbling away at it and the value of the insurance is going down as copays, deductibles, and coinsurance increase rapidly.
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