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Old 12-14-2018, 05:30 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Pilot1 View Post
^^^^^This. More sky is falling B.S. When the elites change their lavish, fossil fuel sucking lifestyles, I MAY take notice. Until then, it is just an elitist scam to confiscate more of my money for BIG GOVERNMENT to waste.
One typical rant of man-made climate change science denier "Big Lie" propagandists. By vehemently repeating unsubstantiated falsehoods, denier propagandists are intent on reducing the impact of scientific research on assessing the impact of man-made climate change.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

Under this denier scenario, we should ignore empirical data and scientific warnings because scientists have created a giant scam in order to receive research grants. The rich want to tax fuel consumption while pocketing the proceeds; this actually is a valid concern given the recent U.S. tax "reform" bill that greatly and disproportionately benefited the wealthy and is being paid for, boastfully by President Trump, with tariffs that disproportionately impact low and middle income consumers.

And denier "feel facts" and intuition trumps (pun intended) the scientific method, argue the deniers.

So the Denier-in-Chief touts his "natural instinct for science" in dismissing scientific research now almost universally warning of a ongoing environmental catastrophe.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ce/1674336002/

Trump and denier politicians who control the U.S. Senate, and are supported financially by fossil fuel interests (think Koch brothers), actually are promoting increased fossil production and consumption, essentially throwing fuel on an already blazing fire. And the legion of denier followers flood the social media with denier "Big Lie" propaganda, hoping to instill the denier mindset sufficiently to block the arguably too conservative warnings of scientists from transforming the American political mentality into an urgent policy initiative to transition away from fossil fuel consumption.

Interestingly, fossil fuel interests face a massive threat to their financial support of the denier campaign as the state of New York is suing Exxon Mobil for securities fraud for not disclosing the corporation's extensive knowledge of the environmental consequences of fossil fuel consumption to the firm's shareholders.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/c...te-change.html

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Old 12-14-2018, 07:43 AM
 
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Stop blaspheming in the Church of the Warming Planet.
Facts do not support anthropogenic climate change.
Nor have any of the dire predictions (since the 1970s) appeared.
We want to believe.

We want alarmism to drive the world into submission to the globalists who really care about our future.


Pathetically inaccurate man-made climate change science denier rant.

Readers can simply compare the empirical data and scientific warnings explained and documented in this thread with your unsubstantiated inanity.
 
Old 12-14-2018, 09:14 AM
 
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What am I missing, I see no sign of the movers and shakers giving up their east and west coast water front mansions despite this news that I am sure the vast majority take as fact. Why are they not acting on this dire news? There actions or lack there of speaks volumes saying what I am not sure?
Why would the "movers and shakers" yet understand the scientific research provided in posts 1 and 7?

They won't read about it in the Wall St. Journal or Barron's (both owned by Fox News), nor hear reports about it on CNBC. I regularly rely on all three of these news sources, and note not only the total paucity of climate change reporting, but actual denier dismissal of man-made climate change by some anchors, reporters, editors, and columnists.

Local coastal news media likely aren't going to warn their residents of the likelihood of accelerating sea level rise, thereby stifling the local economies and perhaps crushing local real estate values.

Note that the article linked in post one about the recent National Climate Assessment report was published by a newspaper in Charlotte, safely over 750 feet above sea level.

Admittedly, some "movers and shakers" read the New York Times and the Washington Post, both newspapers that report on climate change developments.

Yet both of these "national" newspapers are timid compared to the reporting in some national magazines, such as "The New Yorker," which recently published this remarkable article by a long-time climate change journalist.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...ing-the-planet

"The Atlantic" also covers man-made climate change with brutal honesty.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...nction/577537/

Meanwhile, federally and in many states, including North Carolina, deniers have suppressed climate change knowledge and even policy solutions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/12/u...th=login-email

Even now denier politicians caution against climate change "alarmists," as if scientists weighing the empirical data were prone to incendiary rhetoric. Actually, the opposite has been true, as admitted in the recent U.N. climate change panel. Scientists never anticipated ocean acidification, the "equally evil twin" of fossil fuel consumption, and only began extensive studies after 2000.

https://ocean.si.edu/ocean-life/inve...-acidification

The U.N. panel noted that even in its prior report, it didn't anticipate the rapid dying of the world's coral species.

The Trump administration said the recent National Climate Assessment was based on "worst-case" scenarios and didn't reflect the "facts." Deniers, such as in the Trump administration, insist that climate assessments should be based on historical trends, ignoring the scientific research presented in posts 1 and 7 which so concerns actual climate scientists. The Trump administration and other deniers seem shockingly oblivious to the reality that temperatures in the cryosphere now are more regularly exceeding the freezing point with disastrous implications for the planet. Sadly, even negative feedback loops are beyond their comprehension.

https://www.newsweek.com/sarah-hucka...adical-1233921

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...e-study-992872

Many wealthy coastal residents may actually believe the Trump administration's anti-science rhetoric, in addition to actually being uninformed about the empirical data and scientific research.

Few likely have read about the projections of Harold Wanless, chair of geological sciences department at the Univ. of Miami. Wanless attempts to incorporate more rapid levels of ice melt into his sea rise projections. Interestingly, his research is better reported in the U.K., an island nation, than in the U.S. Wanless' projections truly are extreme, and much more dire than the "official" projections, let alone the historical rate of increase preferred by the Trump administration and deniers in general. Wanless projects 3 feet of sea level rise by 2050, and 10 to 33 feet by 2100. See post 1.

When coastal property owners actually begin to experience accelerating sea level rise, if the scientists are correct, an inevitable exodus from coastal areas will begin, led by the more wealthy able to afford to cut their losses, if that is an issue.

Increasing FEMA flood insurance rates for coastal properties also may change the coastal property ownership equation.

https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/...214173939.html

Political leadership in the U.S., with the Republican Party dominated by deniers, and the Democratic Party populated by climate change wimps, also doesn't do much to inform Americans as to the dire consequences of man-made climate change already well underway.

Also consider that West Coast real estate due to higher elevations isn't as vulnerable as the lower East Coast, even if all global ice were to melt. Other factors, such as a slowing Gulf Stream, also is accelerating sea level rise faster on the East Coast than on the West Coast.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/m...horeline-maps/

https://e360.yale.edu/features/flood....s.-east-coast

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Old 12-15-2018, 06:58 AM
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Old 12-17-2018, 12:37 AM
Yac
 
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This thread is not in any shape or form specific to North Carolina.
Take the conversation somewhere else.
Closed.
Yac.
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