07-02-2007, 09:09 PM
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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I don't want to be a party-pooper, but I'm sitting here watching WNEP's News at 10 on Fox56, and their top story is about how all fireworks other than sparklers and other smaller ones are
illegal in Pennsylvania for residential use. Nevertheless, from our highly-elevated home you can see northward into Scranton at night and westward to the Back Mountain (the south and east are obscured by slightly higher-elevated flora), and each year from July 1-July 5, fireworks are going off
incessantly .
Now, I'm not saying they don't look very pretty. Hell, I even stuck a lawn chair in the middle of our road last year and enjoyed the show looking northwards towards Avoca and Scranton, but if these ARE illegal, then where are our local cops? Shouldn't they be out enforcing these dozens, if not
hundreds of offenders that I see launching these things off, including my neighbors who own a fireworks stand on Highway 315 and set them off regularly as well to attract business?
Why create such silly laws if you don't intend to punish those who breach them? We punish those who drive under the influence of alcohol, those who break youth curfews, those who smoked in Scranton's restaurants while the poorly-timed smoking ban was in effect, etc., so what makes the fireworks law any different? Either enforce it or repeal the thing, right? What do others think?
I'm not saying I agree with the law or not, as fireworks don't irk me and seem to bring a lot happiness to children, but if we're going to create a law and then employ small-town cops who willingly neglect to enfoce it, then where do we draw the line between which ones to enforce and which ones to "let slide?"
07-02-2007, 11:30 PM
Location: Lakeville, Pa
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I feel for the police, in this. If marijuana were perfectly legal to sell in stores, but still illegal to smoke...is it fair to ask local law enforcement to shoulder the responsibility of policing people, post-sale?
Really. I mean, geez...you can get the rocket packages anywhere, and people do buy them. Was there any secret that they intended to set them off somewhere?
I agree with part of your position. You either ban it entirely, or you allow both ends of the transaction to occur...perhaps through special permit?
07-03-2007, 05:16 AM
Location: San Diego native.
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Hey SWB, were you in Oriental Buffet yesterday for lunch?
07-03-2007, 09:04 AM
Location: NH
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
ScrantonWilkesBarre
I don't want to be a party-pooper, but I'm sitting here watching WNEP's News at 10 on Fox56, and their top story is about how all fireworks other than sparklers and other smaller ones are
illegal in Pennsylvania for residential use. Nevertheless, from our highly-elevated home you can see northward into Scranton at night and westward to the Back Mountain (the south and east are obscured by slightly higher-elevated flora), and each year from July 1-July 5, fireworks are going off
incessantly .
Now, I'm not saying they don't look very pretty. Hell, I even stuck a lawn chair in the middle of our road last year and enjoyed the show looking northwards towards Avoca and Scranton, but if these ARE illegal, then where are our local cops? Shouldn't they be out enforcing these dozens, if not
hundreds of offenders that I see launching these things off, including my neighbors who own a fireworks stand on Highway 315 and set them off regularly as well to attract business?
Why create such silly laws if you don't intend to punish those who breach them? We punish those who drive under the influence of alcohol, those who break youth curfews, those who smoked in Scranton's restaurants while the poorly-timed smoking ban was in effect, etc., so what makes the fireworks law any different? Either enforce it or repeal the thing, right? What do others think?
I'm not saying I agree with the law or not, as fireworks don't irk me and seem to bring a lot happiness to children, but if we're going to create a law and then employ small-town cops who willingly neglect to enfoce it, then where do we draw the line between which ones to enforce and which ones to "let slide?"
What about blowing off fireworks under the influence like I'm gonna do?
07-03-2007, 09:06 AM
Location: Philaburbia
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I drove to Kutztown on Sunday for the folk festival, and passed at least two dozen fireworks stands on an eight-mile stretch of U.S. 222. I don't get it, either. How can it be legal to buy something, but not use it? Stupid law ...
Last edited by Ohiogirl81; 07-03-2007 at 09:21 AM ..
07-03-2007, 09:14 AM
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Growing up in the Abingtons, I saw people throw 4th of July backyard parties and bring in "professionals" for their firework displays. I think that they get permits from the township or borough to allow them to set off these displays. I realize this is probably a small percentage of the ones you see and everyone else is breaking the law, but it's probably not high on their list of offences for police to try and arrest and/or fine people for this. Like everything else, if there were dozens of people killed and injuried in NEPA each year from illegal fireworks, then the police might crack down on it.
07-03-2007, 09:43 AM
Location: Scranton
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I like a good fireworks DISPLAY....we went to see the display at Nay Aug this past weekend and it was great. BUT the reason I dislike the 4th are the morons who light off M80s and other fireworks that do nothing but make noise...especially when they do so at 12:30 am. What is the point of M80s? Are people that stupid and inbred that they get a thrill over something going BOOM and annoying people? Fireworks that you can actually see in the sky are good (at normal hours), the crap that just makes noise is pathetic. How would you people who light off M80s like if I came to your house some night and banged on a drum set or blow an air horn at 1 am?
07-03-2007, 09:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
ScrantonWilkesBarre
Why create such silly laws if you don't intend to punish those who breach them? We punish ... those who smoked in Scranton's restaurants while the poorly-timed smoking ban was in effect, etc.
We did?
Anyway, you're in a tricky spot there. Setting off fireworks in your backyard that you brought back from South of the Border in Florida is pretty low on the list of priorities for law enforcement. If a cop happens upon that situation, I'll expect them to act on it. I would be a little upset if they went looking for them, though. Maybe I'd be happy if all the arsonists, robbers, drug dealers, rapists, speeders, cell phone using drivers, jaywalkers, underage drinkers, litterbugs, and no turn signal users were also safely behind bars. Imagine the uproar if the cops spent their time this week breaking up family barbecues because Uncle Joey brought some roman candles back from South Carolina to fire off and entertain the family for five minutes.
Many laws are on the books that go unenforced, unless there is another reason to enforce them. Seatbelts for example. No cop ever will pull you over just for not wearing a seatbelt. If they tag you for speeding, however, and you're not wearing a seatbelt, expect a second ticket to be added to it.
NEPA is not perfect. Never will be.
07-03-2007, 09:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Ohiogirl81
I drove to Kutztown on Sunday for the folk festival, and passed at least two dozen fireworks stands on an eight-mile stretch of U.S. 222. I don't get it, either. How can it be legal to buy something, but not use it? Stupid law ...
Those fireworks are legal in PA. We can have more than just sparklers and poppers. Pennsylvania isn't
that prudish.
Edit: PA, as well as most other states, allows
"Class C" (http://www.fireworksbydonnora.com/PA-class-C-Legal.htm - broken link) fireworks to be sold. "Class C" includes sparklers, spinners, fountains, smoke bombs, etc. The tents you're seeing sell varieties of these. You're not going to find bottle rockets, M-80s, etc. At least not on the display tables.
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07-03-2007, 05:18 PM
Location: Sunshine N'Blue Skies
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Not allowed in....
But........we're not allowed in.
Some fireworks places says NO PA people allowed.........
So we have to have our NJ friends, family.......go in the store/tent to buy.
They show their NJ licence.
OK now.........they can't take them home.
Because a cop along the way will take them away, Bye, Bye.......
Nope, can't bring them here........because some of these are illegal, in PA.
Ok so we have been laughing over this for quite sometime.
Because we can't buy them......
Other states can buy them.....
They can't take them home.......
We can't shoot off anything of substance that the NJ person might stop by with..........
We drive by the tents and wonder why the police let them sell.......
Nothing adds up........but..........it all looks like fun........
I myself........feel like a kid looking in a candystore window .........
not allowed to go in..........
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People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)