11-21-2007, 04:19 PM
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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SWB, I empathize with your situation and agree with much of what you say. In another generation, I think things will be different, but it's difficult for you in the present. But, you can't really believe that NEPA natives are responsible for your parents' choices? And while this may be a bitter pill for you, the possibility may exist that your partner will be more hurt by the fact that you have chosen not to spend the holiday with him, rather than by the rednecks of NEPA. Again, sorry that you find yourself in this position - good luck.
I don't think he's hurt by this at all. I'm not going to honestly cut off ties with my family to be there for him at this point in my life when I'm not earning enough while going to school full-time to be out on my own. When we eventually move in together in several years and have our own place in Scranton things will be different; my parents will have to be cordial then if they ever expect to visit or see the adopted grandchildren they'll someday have. I hope things are different by Christmas; I really do.
11-23-2007, 03:26 PM
Location: New York and Hemlock Farms
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I joined this forum because I was interested in finding out more about this area. But SWB's tirades here deserve a rebuttal. So far he has maligned Christians ("bible-thumpers"), Republicans, people over 40 ("ignorant"), blue-collar type ("uneducated") and rural residents ("rednecks"). Then he goes on to imply that only enlightened liberals drive fuel-efficient cars. Finally, after implying that much of the rest of the country are racists, he plaintively pleads "Why can't people just get along?" Well, SWB, after criticizing about 90% of the population of this country, and preaching about intolerance etc., you might want to take a good look at yourself for some answers.
11-25-2007, 10:40 AM
Location: Ashley
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Paul,
Sorry to hear about your situation but you are never going to change peoples minds. I too was big against gays/lesbians because I thought it to be unnatural and disgusting. Unfortunately, I still feel that way but do not "avoid" these people any longer. As I grew, my views didn't, but now accept it. For the last few years, I sit with a lesbian at work everyday at lunch and break. I even went on a white water rafting trip 2 years ago with her and about 30 other of her friends. I had a great time but most of them thought I was "one of the" and when they found out I wasn't they kind of shyed away. I have a lesbian SIL and a gay BIL. She is great but not too keen on her girlfriend. My friend at work is great but makes me feel uncomfortable at times. Like one time she said, "If I saw you in a bar, I would be hitting on you". I have many hit on me at bars but I must say that the women are so forward that I would constitute it as sexual harassment. One even tried to pull my shirt down and take a pic of my breasts. I guess that would make anyone feel differently toward them as a whole if that everytime they are in a bar, they act this way. I know it shouldn't apply to all but it makes me try to ignore many of them now. Does this make sense? On the other hand, I love gay men. I find them to be so funny! I guess what I am trying to say is that although I do not think it is right, I accept it, as long as they do not bother me in that way. I don't think it is because people are younger that they accept it more but I think many go by the experiences that they have had. One thing that does irritate me though is that many do get special treatment. My SIL's girlfriend works in my office and they catch her sleeping, she calls off constantly and nothing is ever done because they are afraid that she will claim discrimination because she's a lesbian. My MIL did not like the fact that her daughter was a lesbian but they were always welcome in her home. Don't give up hope on your parents. They may feel that it is not right but will eventually come around. I did, LOL, so there is always hope.
11-27-2007, 11:37 AM
Location: Selinsgrove, PA
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I'm a Lutheran and Martin Luther said it best: Love the sinner but hate the sin.
Now, I realize many don't consider homosexuality to be a sin. But the Bible says it is and who's gonna say God's wrong? Of course, the Bible also says divorce is a sin and probably 60% of people have been divorced at least once. The Bible also says gluttony is a sin and I eat too much and am very fat as a result.
The point is we're all sinners in one way or another. But God is a forgiving God and we need to be forgiving people, which is what God wants. So Paul's "Why can't we all just get along?" actually is what God would want of us. After all, Jesus ate with sinners such as prostitutes, tax collectors (who were despised as greedy SOBs at the time), the sick and lame (who were thought to be that way because of something they'd done).
So whether we agree with someone's lifestyle or actions, we need to remember that God created us all (unless you're an atheist, in which case we'll be praying for you) and we're all brothers and sisters and should love each other no matter what. We're not to judge. God will sort it all out in the end, and I'll bet a lot of the "bible-thumpers" will be surprised and maybe even shocked at just how forgiving our loving God actually is.
Okay, I'll get down out of the pulpit now!
11-30-2007, 10:19 PM
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Just throwing this out in general since there's been some nods to this discussion throughout the thread. I'm religious but the bible has many things that are considered sins/really bad things that we accept as normal or isn't followed. A few of those examples include:
-some passages being pro slavery
-death to your children if they talk back to you
-not working on Sunday
-not eating shellfish
-not wearing clothing with two different threads
-not planting two different crops in the same field
-not handling the skin of a dead pig (football anybody?)
Death is called upon for some of these sins if I'm not mistaken. Plus the passages in the bible about homosexuality can be interpreted in different ways. Also how do we know that man didn't change the bible along the way in the early stages for personal agendas (people have been evil before and wouldn't put it past somebody doing this back then). Don't want to turn this into a religious argument but the bible calls for alot of things that are questionable and calls for death for many things we all do in our everyday lives. I don't understand how the religious die hards can ignore those passages but attack so hard on the homosexuality issues.
Plus science is very close to proving that people are born gay. God made us the way we are. Why would we chose a lifestyle that brings us so much hatred, pain, harrassment, and discrimination? I'm glad the times are changing and hopefully these sexuality issues will be a thing of the past in about ten years. There was a time when race and gender were discriminated against and it was wrong. Same goes for a person's sexuality. I don't know how it can be a sin as we were born this way (once again science is very close to proving this).
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03-06-2008, 04:18 PM
Location: northeastern pa
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03-06-2008, 06:03 PM
Location: Bloomsburg, PA
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Thanks R.J.
The "world was flat" when those letters were written and eventually were collected and made into a book or Bible. I recall reading: "dash their (little) heads against the rocks." R J, do you recall where that passage is located in the good book?
I see no sin in anyone who is not purposely causing harm to another. I am from Danville. I went to art school in a city. That was a true revelation! I met kids with many different lifestyles. Many are good friends of mine to this day. No gay or lesbian has ever hurt me. I know many locals where I am now. All they do is cause havoc with others. They are heterosexual and it doesn't give them any kind of edge, believe me!
03-13-2008, 07:20 PM
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Lewisburg is as gay friendly as any small town in Pennsylvania is likely to be at this point in time. There are quite a few open gays at Bucknell, as well as in the community. One of the cafes now has a gay get together night as well. A lot of people move into Lewisburg from urban areas, and an awful lot of the people who have lived there forever are travelled and educated; these folks on average have been exposed to plenty of gay relationships and whatever their private beliefs or their own sexuality tend to be accepting of other lifestyles. It's not Castro Street or Boystown in Chicago, but generally speaking I don't think openly gay couples of either gender would find plenty of people that have no problem with it.
On the flip side, it's the northern Bible belt, and there are local pastors who think Christianity is mostly about bashing gays. There also is a redneckish element to the population that hasn't gotten the memo that it's not 1954 anymore.
Bottom line - it's not going to be hard to find a range of straight and gay friends who are accepting and encouraging. With a bit of work, you could dig up some old school bigots. On balance, though, I think it would pretty easy to live your life without undue concern about being principally defined by your sexual preference.
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I am conservative and I also happen to live in Lewisburg. I find this idea of a person's liberal or conservative leanings begin determined based on choice of car difficult to process. As a conservative I am certainly planning to buy a Prius or some other hybrid next year simply because of the better gas mileage. This will not change my conservative tendencies in the slightest. As for Lewisburg itself, in spite of some liberal tendencies I have always found the resident population to lean toward the conservative. This is why I stayed after moving here. It is also a beautiful town and I think there is a tendency to want to preserve it as such.
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People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)