My husband was assaulted last night (Warren, Penn: casino, taxes, airports)

[bloominscranton]

Originally Posted by warren zee

I don't really know? We are unfamiliar with Pa. law, but in speaking with the W-B Police Cpt. one of his officers have to see the assault occurring. State Troopers usually have more authority than city police, at least that was the way it was in NY.

I am sure you are correct, as that is my understanding as well, it just flys in the face of common sense to me. You have to be really stupid to beat the crap out of someone when a PO is watching when all you have to do is wait for the PO to turn around and have a much lesser charge. Between this and the lack of restraining orders, I hope my days of pissing people off are over!

[weluvpa]

Originally Posted by bloominscranton

I am sure you are correct, as that is my understanding as well, it just flys in the face of common sense to me. You have to be really stupid to beat the crap out of someone when a PO is watching when all you have to do is wait for the PO to turn around and have a much lesser charge. Between this and the lack of restraining orders, I hope my days of pissing people off are over!

Restraining orders have ALWAYS been for domestic disputes, don't apply here. Never have and never will.

Eveyone is trying to apply laws to this that just don't fit, why?

Yet, no one knows what actually happened or how the sequence of events played out. Your all ready to lynch the WBPD, for what?

They did their job, the were called to a FIGHT in the street, they issued summons to appear to the bad guys and charged them with simple assault.

What do you really think they should have done? Again it was a punch in the face, maybe 10 yrs to life is appropriate.

Your all second guessing trained professionals based on an over dramatization of an incident that no one witnessed, being told from one side of the event.

A copy of the police report would clear up alot of the inconsistencies in the story over the last several weeks.

Common Sense would dictate that if you are unfamiliar with the laws in PA and you are a victim in an incident that is going to end up in court that should retain an attorney so that your best interests are legally looked out for.

[Riverside4ever]

Popcorn and Pepsi Is on hand .. In my Comfy Chair ....

[bloominscranton]

Originally Posted by weluvpa

Restraining orders have ALWAYS been for domestic disputes, don't apply here. Never have and never will.

Eveyone is trying to apply laws to this that just don't fit, why?

Yet, no one knows what actually happened or how the sequence of events played out. Your all ready to lynch the WBPD, for what?

They did their job, the were called to a FIGHT in the street, they issued summons to appear to the bad guys and charged them with simple assault.

What do you really think they should have done? Again it was a punch in the face, maybe 10 yrs to life is appropriate.

Your all second guessing trained professionals based on an over dramatization of an incident that no one witnessed, being told from one side of the event.

A copy of the police report would clear up alot of the inconsistencies in the story over the last several weeks.

Common Sense would dictate that if you are unfamiliar with the laws in PA and you are a victim in an incident that is going to end up in court that should retain an attorney so that your best interests are legally looked out for.

If you can afford to hastly move to Ohio, you can afford an attorney.

None of this adds up. If your still looking for a place to live then why annouce to the Ohio forum that your purchasing another fixer upper in Warren? Is this similar to annoucing to us years ahead that you were noving to wonderful NEPA?

I don't buy any of it at all, but please feel free to prove me wrong. Show me that I'm wrong, lets start with a copy of a police report indicating what happened and the summary offenses they were charged with.

I am simply trying to understand the laws here, that is all!!! I understand PFA's in PA, I just think it assine that it ONLY applies to domestic situations. It is a big bad world and the belief that one would only need PROTECTION form a partner or family member is short sighted IMHO! I am not trying to bend anything to any situation, I am questioning the logic. Sheesh, since when is searching for understanding a bad thing.

[bloominscranton]

Originally Posted by Riverside4ever

Popcorn and Pepsi Is on hand .. In my Comfy Chair ....

Nothing to see here folks move along!

[weluvpa]

My comments weren't necessarily geared toward you.

The restraining order is just that and is for domestic issues so that there is a level of protection in place to keep a domestic partner from coming into their own home and becoming violent and hurting someone. If the home is shared then without that PFA there would be nothing to stop that person from entering the home.

It doesn't apply here and shouldn't. There is no reason for it. The alleged victim can lock his doors, he can exit from the rear of the home, he can avoid any contact with the bad guys. Not so in a shared residence.

Secondly your missing the "he said, she said", part of the equation. If the police could just file assault charges because someone said he beat me, think about the countless false arrests that could take place. Honestly the police cannot just take everyones word for it without 1st hand visual knowledge.

Just because they say they were assaulted isn't enough to arrest someone and toss them in jail and should NEVER be enough to do that.

See this is where the rub comes in. If they feel they are being harassed then they should call the police and file a report. If they file more then a couple they can establish a pattern of harassment and then THEY can file charges against them through the magistrate on top of simple assault charges filed by police.

See the law is very clear and the fact that no attorney has been retained is partly why I don't buy any of this at all.

Instead of hiring an attorney and fighting for their safety, they cry poverty, but are willing to pack up and blindly move to Warren Ohio? It just defys common sense in a situation like this.

Christ thus is 2012, I consult my attorney on any legal issue whether its a contract, my LLC or property questions.

[sheena12]

Originally Posted by bloominscranton

I am sure you are correct, as that is my understanding as well, it just flys in the face of common sense to me. You have to be really stupid to beat the crap out of someone when a PO is watching when all you have to do is wait for the PO to turn around and have a much lesser charge. Between this and the lack of restraining orders, I hope my days of pissing people off are over!

That's exactly what we thought! But that's the law here.

Wish I could set my neighbors to ignore! The ignore feature on CG - gotta love it!

[fisheye]

Originally Posted by weluvpa

Restraining orders have ALWAYS been for domestic disputes, don't apply here. Never have and never will.

Eveyone is trying to apply laws to this that just don't fit, why?

Yet, no one knows what actually happened or how the sequence of events played out. Your all ready to lynch the WBPD, for what?

They did their job, the were called to a FIGHT in the street, they issued summons to appear to the bad guys and charged them with simple assault.

What do you really think they should have done? Again it was a punch in the face, maybe 10 yrs to life is appropriate.

Your all second guessing trained professionals based on an over dramatization of an incident that no one witnessed, being told from one side of the event.

A copy of the police report would clear up alot of the inconsistencies in the story over the last several weeks.

Common Sense would dictate that if you are unfamiliar with the laws in PA and you are a victim in an incident that is going to end up in court that should retain an attorney so that your best interests are legally looked out for.

We have three or four State Police stationed permanently at our casinos. We put police officers in our schools. We constantly maintain armed on duty officers at hot spots like our Social Security buildings – as well as other government buildings since 911. Of course we have police at airports ad some buss stations. We also have our State Police assigned to sit in their vehicles with the lights flashing at construction jobs. But we don't want to commit our police to ensure tranquility in neighborhoods that are going downhill!

It should not be up to the individual to buy bigger guns or hire more thugs to win a fight. Some of our tax money is supposedly used for our protection. If it is not; why are we funding our police departments? You can talk about the law all you want to – but is that helping the neighborhood?

[bloominscranton]

Originally Posted by fisheye

we have three or four state police stationed permanently at our casinos. We put police officers in our schools. We constantly maintain armed on duty officers at hot spots like our social security buildings – as well as other government buildings since 911. Of course we have police at airports ad some buss stations. We also have our state police assigned to sit in their vehicles with the lights flashing at construction jobs. But we don't want to commit our police to ensure tranquility in neighborhoods that are going downhill!

It should not be up to the individual to buy bigger guns or hire more thugs to win a fight. Some of our tax money is supposedly used for our protection. If it is not; why are we funding our police departments? You can talk about the law all you want to – but is that helping the neighborhood?

bravo!

[quiet life]

Originally Posted by DE_NePA

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Hey that's not bad. Didn't see any ratings on this unit. I have checked out other units that either are low priced, not very good or high priced, records a gnat flying across the camera, average. Hard to find a perfect system.

Anyway, back to the OP. It seems you have done all you can do in your circumstance. I am praying things improve for the both of you