09-22-2014, 04:09 AM
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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The PSP seem to indicate that they believe it was planned over a long period of time, yes. I can't help but wonder why? I think back to the shooting at the township building near Saylorsburg, but that was such a crime of passion and anger. This guy seems more cold blooded.
I found this article on Frein:
Who is Eric Frein? | Regional: Poconos & Coal - Home . I would still like to know more about the "military simulation unit" that has not been identified.
We have a State Police barracks in Swiftwater and that is closer than Blooming Grove. At this time we can only speculate why he went after Blooming Grove. It could have been his familiarity with the woods between his home and Blooming Grove? But it also could have been a grudge? Here is one of the most complete stories I found of the shooting:
Manhunt for a Cop-Hating Pennsylvania . In that link they say the Frein's brother lived in the same development as Frein's victim. They say that there is speculation that there might be a link - but we still do not know.
09-22-2014, 09:08 AM
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I found this article on Frein:
Who is Eric Frein? | Regional: Poconos & Coal - Home . I would still like to know more about the "military simulation unit" that has not been identified.
We have a State Police barracks in Swiftwater and that is closer than Blooming Grove. At this time we can only speculate why he went after Blooming Grove. It could have been his familiarity with the woods between his home and Blooming Grove? But it also could have been a grudge? Here is one of the most complete stories I found of the shooting:
Manhunt for a Cop-Hating Pennsylvania . In that link they say the Frein's brother lived in the same development as Frein's victim. They say that there is speculation that there might be a link - but we still do not know.
I have a feeling they aren't revealing too much information yet to avoid interference with the investigation.
09-22-2014, 10:31 AM
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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I have a feeling they aren't revealing too much information yet to avoid interference with the investigation.
Yeah, during yesterday's news conference Colonel Bevins would gave some information but he withheld other information that might tip off the suspect if he was listening.
09-22-2014, 11:54 AM
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Yeah, during yesterday's news conference Colonel Bevins would gave some information but he withheld other information that might tip off the suspect if he was listening.
Seems to be standard operating procedure for these types of situations. Of course, then you always get the members of he public who think they should be entitled to every piece of info out there.
Some people have been complaining on BRC 13's social media pages that the manhunt should allow private citizens to take part, i.e.,"let the hunters hunt!" As one person put it.
Because that's such a great idea, letting tons of untrained people roam the woods carrying guns.
09-22-2014, 07:29 PM
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Because that's such a great idea, letting tons of untrained people roam the woods carrying guns.
Many of those hunters would be just as affective if not more than affective simply because they are going to know that area. The problem with doing that is all the idiots you would attract. .
09-23-2014, 03:18 AM
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Many of those hunters would be just as affective if not more than affective simply because they are going to know that area. The problem with doing that is all the idiots you would attract. .
Regardless of feelings, archery hunters will be going in our woods in less than two weeks. Some of them are already checking out their territory for signs of deer. Also many hunters will be using the warmer weather to target practice. The State Police have shut down some of the ranges - but many hunters will target practice on private land. That target practice will be more stressful on the police in this search and in return; to the hunters target practicing.
Now as far as the area around Bear Town Road, Lower and Upper Seese Hill Road; that area was notorious for shots fired at night. That is also the primary search area. Perhaps the area is not as bad for poaching as it was in the 1950's and 60's? Times do change.
As far as the problem with idiots: Could that be the downside of the high reward? $175,000 could be attractive to some.
The last police road closing is only about six and a half miles from our house - as the crow flies. I guess it is a good thing that I also shot on Pocono Mountain's rifle team?
09-23-2014, 07:52 AM
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Many of those hunters would be just as affective if not more than affective simply because they are going to know that area. The problem with doing that is all the idiots you would attract. .
They know they area. They don't know how to deal with a fugitive. Leave it to the professionals. This isn't a Western.
09-23-2014, 08:26 AM
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They know they area. They don't know how to deal with a fugitive. Leave it to the professionals. This isn't a Western.
LOL, you make is sound like LE has some magical powers over citizens. Do you really think some federal agent from say Philadelphia has a better chance of finding this guy or even surviving compared to an experienced hunter that has been in those woods their entire lives? I don't know if you understand what a true hunter does but the good ones don't rely on dumb luck. It's not a matter of simply standing in the woods and hoping a big buck walks by.
I'm not saying it's good idea but only because of the idiots you would attract but the "professionals" certainly aren't going to be any better than the right group of local outdoorsman.
09-23-2014, 09:30 AM
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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They know they area. They don't know how to deal with a fugitive. Leave it to the professionals. This isn't a Western.
It could quickly turn into a Western with an armed fugitive in the woods. All you have to have is a fugitive that doesn't want somebody to report his whereabouts and a sportsman that thinks they might get shot. Toss in some police that have been living stressed out for days. There are many factors that could lead up to a blood bath.
Frein is a good shot - but there are many other good shots around. Some are on our police force and some are just hunters or people that like to shoot. He is not infallible - he has already made many mistakes: He shot at and missed Police communications officer Nicole Palmer. Trooper Alex Douglass did survive the shot that was supposed to be lethal. I am sure he never expected to loose his parents jeep - that was the main reason his picture is on all of our billboards and all over TV.
09-24-2014, 04:54 AM
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LOL, you make is sound like LE has some magical powers over citizens. Do you really think some federal agent from say Philadelphia has a better chance of finding this guy or even surviving compared to an experienced hunter that has been in those woods their entire lives? I don't know if you understand what a true hunter does but the good ones don't rely on dumb luck. It's not a matter of simply standing in the woods and hoping a big buck walks by.
I grew up in rural Wyoming County. I am quite familiar with hunting, thank you. Agents understand and are trained on how to deal with these types of situations. Even the best hunter does not understand how to do what needs to be done to track a fugitive.
I'm really not going to argue this point further.
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People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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