04-22-2008, 05:39 AM
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I have been reading these boards forever and posting a few times, so I thought I would see if anybody here could offer me some advice.
My daughter Elizabeth is 3 1/2 years old and attends a daycare/pre pre K type program two days a week around the corner from my school ( I teach ). This is the first year I have had her there and have always been very happy with the program. Considering that most Kindergarten classes are five full days we thought that it would be good for her to be away from home two days this year, and maybe three next year. We didnt want her to go from 24/7 home with dad to 5 full days a week away from him. ( he is a sahd )
On Friday I brought her to school as I always do and picked her up on Friday afternoon. No problems. But when I took her hair out of her ponytail to brush it out and get her ready for her bath I noticed a problem immediately.
Her hair just felt wrong. I cant explain it...I brush her hair out twice a day so I know what it is like.
So I start looking at it closer and then I see them. All the short pieces on the bottom. I pulled up the long part of her hair and almost screamed when I saw all the hair that had been cut off. Do you guys know that trend a few years back when the girls would keep their long hair but shave off the first four inches or so? Well thats what it reminded me of.
I asked her what happened and she named two students who had cut off her hair. SHe said the teacher yelled at them. WELL SHE NEVER EVEN TOLD ME!
My daughter HAD never had her hair cut before. She had long blonde curls down her back....
Beth was born with black black hair...but when she was a few months old it started growing in blonde. It was funny how strangers would actually stop me in the grocery store when she was 9 months old or so and ask me if I dyed her hair black and now here roots were growing in. Funny now, not at the time. But that is how stark the contrast was. Well the end of her pony tail was cut too...because the black hair that was on the very bottom is gone.
I am so angry. First two students took a few minutes to cut off her hair. Where were the two teachers in the room????
Then they threw it out ( I am assuming ) Dont most mothers have a lock of their daughters first haircut?
Then they tied it up in a low tight ponytail and sent her home without telling me.
Like I am SO STUPID that I wouldnt notice.
I do have a meeting scheduled today at 3 with the teacher and director which is now going to be moved to wednesday since I was just told I was going up to doylestown for the day for a conference.
But my question to you all is what am I supposed to do at this meeting.
Yes, I want a consequence for the teachers not watching the classroom and for hiding what happened.
But the point is that there is really nothing they can do to fix this.
I will never be able to say that my daughter has never had her hair cut.
At least 35% of the volume is gone...her hair is so thin now
They cant fix that........Beth cant get back her first haircut.
Do I sue them? What is that going to do, it wont fix this?
I guess I just needed to vent.
Thanks
Mary
04-22-2008, 05:51 AM
Location: Northern Wayne Co, PA
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Mary...that is so terrible. It reminds me of my nieces. When the older niece was 6, she cut off the hair of her younger niece, who was 5 at the time. Their mother wasn't home, and the father (oy) did not notice it was happening.
I don't have any advice for you on how to handle it with the school...I don't even had kids...but I will give you this trifle from when we went through it. The younger niece was not upset at all really when it happened, but she become very upset when my mother (her grandmother) had a very extreme and negative reaction. I think it elevated the important of hair and beauty and the younger niece became upset that she had lost something important.
Of course, she did lose something important, but I'd recommend trying to approach with her in such a way that she does not become self conscious about what's already happened.
Ugh....very disturbing indeed that it could happen at school with teachers and aides around...scissors...geesh.
04-22-2008, 06:01 AM
Location: The Poconos
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Whew I'd be like a raving lunatic if that happened to one of my kids. Yes, I'd be upset about the first haircut thing, but that would really take a backseat for me personally. It would be more of 'omg, where were the adults?' It does take more than a minute to cut hair and it sounds like her cut is a bit more involved, so where were the eyes and ears of the daycare? Especially if it involved 3 children(you said 2 cutters) that's enough kids to be watched at all times.
If nothing else I would not be sending my child somewhere where there is such a lack of supervision and communication. Not sure if you can sue, but you can certainly bring media attention to it.
Good luck, so sorry to hear all of this, it really is a terrible situation.
04-22-2008, 06:07 AM
Location: Scranton
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I would pull them out of that school immediately. Obviously there is not enough supervision. You don't want to be there when something worse than a haircut may happen.
04-22-2008, 06:26 AM
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She should be in school today, but she is not.
Tuesdays and Fridays were her two days there. I can not see ever putting her back in.
What else has happened there that nobody told me about? If they tried to hide this what else have they hidden from me?
04-22-2008, 06:41 AM
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First of all, yes, I would be upset if one of my two daughters was in that situation. However, what if your daughter got into scissors at home and cut her own hair or a friend's? Should you and your husband be arrested for child abuse and neglect? As a child, I remember always cutting my dolls hair. I also have a good friend whose little daughter decided to cut off her bangs one day. I think all kids are facinated with this, and since your daughter obviously wasn't upset and didn't mention it until you noticed, I think you should try not to make too big of a deal about it around her. You never know, she might have even told them it was OK.
And while I definitely agree that there is a problem that the teachers were not there to see this happening, I think suing and media attention would be going a bit too far. If you truly were happy with this school prior to this, a more productive approach would be to find out why scissors are left in an area accessible to 3-year-olds and find out their reason for leaving the kids unattended on that day. When my kids attended preschool, on the days when they practiced "cutting with scissors", they had two or three kids sit with a teacher at a table in shifts while she supervised the process. Then the scissors were put away. You could use your meeting to ask about their policy and demand that they adopt one to keep the scissors safely away from the kids. I would also ask them to pay for a nice haircut for your daughter to even out her hair, since it was undeniably the teachers' fault. Other than that, you will have to decide after the meeting whether you want to continue sending your child to that school.
I can appreciate that you think this is a horrible thing and are angry about it, but when you think about all the experiences you are going to have with your daughter over the next 15 years until she "grows up", trust me, this is going to pale in comparison.
04-22-2008, 06:46 AM
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Mary,
DO NOT SEND YOUR DAUGHTER BACK THERE! There clearly is NO supervision. If the classroom was left unattended with children with scissors sharp enough to cut hair, that is certainly an issue to take up with administration. Suing, I'm not sure, but the children were left in a dangerous situation no doubt. This time it was a haircut, what could be next?
04-22-2008, 07:01 AM
Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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Children are very good at hiding that they are cutting hair. You should have been told about it though. Did they really think you would not notice.
My daughter was a day care director. They gave reports about anything unusual that happened at school. They were not allowed to tell which child had done the wrong thing to keep fights from happening among the parents.
She said one little boy was bitten by another child. They gave the report to his very big dad. She said the next morning when the dad dropped off the child after receiving the report, he stood in the doorway and said, "O. K. Now who is the vampire!"
Think about the number of things that happen that you don't know about until after the fact. My daughter once smeared petroleum jelly all over her wall when I thought she was playing quietly in her room. It didn't take long. Luckily we had painted the wall with washable paint. When you are dealing with children, things will happen. I think you need to chill a little. Maybe it is time you cut her hair. Long hair made my head ache.
04-22-2008, 07:20 AM
Location: The Poconos
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Chill a little, are you kidding? Two children took scissors to her child's head. Daycares have a teacher/child ratio for a reason and children are to be supervised at all times. If there's scissors readily available to the kids, what else is going on there?
Sure there's bigger things in life. But we all know its hard enough to leave younger children in the care of other adults. And to realize that they are not being watched as they should, it's upsetting. If they can forget to mention something like this to the parents, which they will obviously find out about once they get home, what else can they easily forget to mention?
Sorry, inexcuseable in my book.
04-22-2008, 07:30 AM
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Children are very good at hiding that they are cutting hair. You should have been told about it though. Did they really think you would not notice.
Think about the number of things that happen that you don't know about until after the fact. My daughter once smeared petroleum jelly all over her wall when I thought she was playing quietly in her room. It didn't take long. Luckily we had painted the wall with washable paint. When you are dealing with children, things will happen. I think you need to chill a little. Maybe it is time you cut her hair. Long hair made my head ache.
Yeah, I know about those after-the-fact events, too. One of my sons once smeared something worse than petroleum jelly in his room when I thought he was napping!!
I also wonder about something, Mary. Is it possible that your daughter either did this herself or let another kid do it? It would make sense then that the teachers didn't know (it was underneath her ponytail), didn't find the hair (kids could have hid it or thrown it away), and didn't report it to you. It would also make sense as to why your daughter didn't even mention it to you until you noticed her hair later that night. My kids would have told me about something that "big" the minute we were in the car and I asked about their day. I also found it strange that she said that the teacher yelled at the two kids that did this, but didn't mention it to you. I filled in at our preschool on many occasions, and I have to say that I never heard a teacher "yell" at a kid that had done something wrong. They might have been sent to timeout or otherwise punished, but not yelled at.
It still doesn't excuse the fact that the scissors were accessible to these preschoolers, but just something to think about.
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Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)