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Old 06-01-2009, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Sheeptown, USA
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I think you guys are being too hard on Paul.
I like Paul too, but olbluesguy makes some good points. Paul shouldn't let his sexual preference be put ahead of him as a person. He does seem to worry about status and how everyone should be tolerant and accepting of things that he likes. We don't have to be tolerant of the same things that he is. It doesn't make us worse people. And again, I like Paul and have nothing against him, but other posters have said the same things too.

 
Old 06-01-2009, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Sheeptown, USA
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Usually the people that are so gung-ho about "tolerance," are also very intolerant of views other than their own. Its the epitomy of hypocrisy.
I found this to be very true. We have to be tolerant of them and the moment we aren't or disagree, we're racist, homophobic, and intolerant. I believe I don't have to be tolerant of any of that, whether it be diversity, gay marriage. It doesn't make me or anyone else who thinks that way a bad person.
 
Old 06-01-2009, 04:25 PM
 
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Then the next question is WHY? Why don't they have tasers? I'm pretty sure a number of male police officers can take down a single female. I think deadly force was overused.
Um if they have a knife in their hand, I'm sure as hell not wrestling with them. You can if you want.

Tasers, not always effective or accurate and not to be used to counter lethal weapons.
 
Old 06-01-2009, 04:46 PM
 
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"Then the next question is WHY? Why don't they have tasers? I'm pretty sure a number of male police officers can take down a single female. I think deadly force was overused."


That is an answer that would have to come from Chief Elliot, Ray Hayes, and finally Chris Doherty. I know many of the citys police officers, and know they dont carry tasers. I am not even sure the S.O.P. calls for tasers in such a situation. I was simply trying to answer what many have asked,Why werent they used?.....because they are not issued......
 
Old 06-01-2009, 04:49 PM
 
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The Scranton Police Department is receiving $71,439 in new crime-fighting equipment, including 35 Taser guns and computer programs to keep the department updated with the latest technology.

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Old 06-01-2009, 05:12 PM
 
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I don't think it's racially motivated. I just think that deadly force shouldn't be used as much as it is.
Police officers do not use deadly physical force against another person unless they have probable cause to believe they must protect themselves or another person from imminent death or serious physical injury. What are you advocating for the police to shoot after the perp/mentally instable or what fire first? C'mon get real.
 
Old 06-01-2009, 08:31 PM
 
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I found this to be very true. We have to be tolerant of them and the moment we aren't or disagree, we're racist, homophobic, and intolerant. I believe I don't have to be tolerant of any of that, whether it be diversity, gay marriage. It doesn't make me or anyone else who thinks that way a bad person.

Really? You think intolerance towards a whole group of people --- no matter what it is --- isn't bad?
 
Old 06-01-2009, 08:32 PM
 
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Um if they have a knife in their hand, I'm sure as hell not wrestling with them. You can if you want.

Tasers, not always effective or accurate and not to be used to counter lethal weapons.

Well, they are cops. That's their job. Their job is inherently dangerous. I don't want to wrestle anyone down to the ground - that's why I'm not a cop.

Guns, not always effective or accurate and not to be used to counter mentally ill women --- esp those who are what 1 woman against 4 men?
 
Old 06-01-2009, 08:34 PM
 
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Police officers do not use deadly physical force against another person unless they have probable cause to believe they must protect themselves or another person from imminent death or serious physical injury. What are you advocating for the police to shoot after the perp/mentally instable or what fire first? C'mon get real.
I'll have to ask you to get real if you believe cops never use deadly physical force when it is wholly unneccessary.

The woman had a *knife* not a gun. Why are you changing the story?
 
Old 06-01-2009, 09:50 PM
 
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Well, they are cops. That's their job. Their job is inherently dangerous. I don't want to wrestle anyone down to the ground - that's why I'm not a cop.

Guns, not always effective or accurate and not to be used to counter mentally ill women --- esp those who are what 1 woman against 4 men?
I don't know if just your comment is ignorant, or if you are ignorant in general. There's a big difference
between taking physical control of an individual and taking control of an individual who is armed with a
weapon.

Anyone who has ever worked with mentally ill people knows that they can have super human strength
and zero pain compliance; probably 90% of police training is based on pain compliance and it's useless in
these situations.

These are police officers, not jihadists bent on suicide. I believe they have a right to life as much as
anyone. What if this woman encountered someone without training and who was unarmed? This
situation could have been a lot worse.

The main problem here is that I believe Scranton does not have any sort of a trained negotiator or
equivalent for these types of situations. So even if the officers decided to retreat and wait it out,
there was no one else coming with a higher skill level in mental illness.

Everything I've heard tells me that these officers did everything they could with what they had
available to them. They followed their training, which is what the department wants; they do not
want rogue cops who pull stunts like on TV - shooting an arm, leg, etc. The woman should have
been in a facility anyway. It's nice to think that everyone can be independent and what we want
them to be, but then you have situations like this where everyone's life is endangered. It's not fair
for anyone involved.

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