Arlington County Board Votes to Withdraw from Immigration Enforcement Program (crime, live)

[Tiger Beer]

Originally Posted by FairfaxGuy73

The figures above show that at least 10 percent of Arlington residents are on housing assistance. The numbers above account for all of the forms of housing assistance provided by Arlington, and they do also not include federal Section 8 vouchers.

Look how proud Arlington is about getting people dependent on their subsidies:

"Committed Affordable Rental Units Now Form 14% of Rental Stock!"
http://www.arlingtonva.us/department.../file76858.pdf

They also have goals to increase this number. Affordable housing should be temporary, but instead they aim to get more people on it.

Section 8 participation, which is now called Housing Choice Vouchers (HCV) must be very high. HCV's provide guaranteed payments to owners who agree to rent their units. With many people finding it difficult to sell their homes due to the downturn HCV's have become very popular.

This is the meat of the eligibility requirements:

[SIZE=2]"Eligibility...is limited to US citizens and specified categories of non-citizens who have eligible immigration status. In general, the family's income may not exceed 50% of the median income for the county or metropolitan area in which the family chooses to live."
Housing Choice Vouchers Fact Sheet - HUD

[/SIZE]So if you don't make much money, you might be more likely to be able to afford living in Arlington.

Hmm....FAMILY...and must not exceed 50% of the MEDIAN INCOME for the county or metro they choose to live.

So what is the MEDIAN income for a FAMILY in Arlington?

That usage of the word 'family' certain increases the median income by quite a bit, I would imagine.

That also encourages more people to make a move into NOVA who might be able to afford it, as isn't the median income quite high? Plus I would imagine that people who Do have affordable housing, might not count into part of that county average??

[FairfaxGuy73]

Median family income in Arlington is $104, 000. Best Places to Live 2010 - City details: Arlington, VA - from MONEY Magazine

Doesn't this mean by definition that 1/4 of the population is eligible for Section 8? I mean below 50 percent of median is the lowest earning fourth of the population. There are some upper limits on how expensive the house can be, but usually they can move into most neighborhoods in an area.

Hey, on average, if one spouse quits working, that would put household income at the 50 percentile threshold. Tell you wife or husband to quit working so that you can afford to live in Arlington!

I wonder if you could rent your house to a Section 8 tenant and then move into Section 8 housing?

[Stephen 81]

Originally Posted by FairfaxGuy73

Doesn't this mean by definition that 1/4 of the population is eligible for Section 8? I mean below 50 percent of median is the lowest earning fourth of the population. There are some upper limits on how expensive the house can be, but usually they can move into most neighborhoods in an area.

Hey, on average, if one spouse quits working, that would put household income at the 50 percentile threshold. Tell you wife or husband to quit working so that you can afford to live in Arlington!

I wonder if you could rent your house to a Section 8 tenant and then move into Section 8 housing?

Nope, not how medians work. If the median income is $100k, and 50% of the population makes $200k, and the other 50% $99k, then nobody makes less than half of the median.

Women and men don't make the same incomes, either, even for doing the same jobs, so you'd better tell the husband to stop working. Good luck getting most men to do that.

[dkf747]

Originally Posted by FairfaxGuy73

Median family income in Arlington is $104, 000. Best Places to Live 2010 - City details: Arlington, VA - from MONEY Magazine

Doesn't this mean by definition that 1/4 of the population is eligible for Section 8? I mean below 50 percent of median is the lowest earning fourth of the population. There are some upper limits on how expensive the house can be, but usually they can move into most neighborhoods in an area.

Hey, on average, if one spouse quits working, that would put household income at the 50 percentile threshold. Tell you wife or husband to quit working so that you can afford to live in Arlington!

I wonder if you could rent your house to a Section 8 tenant and then move into Section 8 housing?

You think it is that easy to get Section 8? The waiting lists in the area are often only open to new applicants for a couple of weeks each year. If you get your name on the list, it can take 3 or 4 years before you get anything. Then finding someone to take it (while supposedly easier with the economy) is a challenge.

[FairfaxGuy73]

Originally Posted by dkf747

You think it is that easy to get Section 8? The waiting lists in the area are often only open to new applicants for a couple of weeks each year. If you get your name on the list, it can take 3 or 4 years before you get anything. Then finding someone to take it (while supposedly easier with the economy) is a challenge.

Yes, it depends on availability, but I am just pointing out that a significant portion of the population is eligible. Due to hoarding (holding on to units) fewer are units going to become available, but this does not mean that a significant portion of the population may not already be living in them.

Arlington is probably going to have fewer Section 8's available than Brambleton, but the market has made many more available than there were a few years ago. People don't want to sell for a loss. In the exurbs people are having trouble finding renters and do opt for Section 8.

[FairfaxGuy73]

Originally Posted by Stephen 81

Nope, not how medians work. If the median income is $100k, and 50% of the population makes $200k, and the other 50% $99k, then nobody makes less than half of the median.

Women and men don't make the same incomes, either, even for doing the same jobs, so you'd better tell the husband to stop working. Good luck getting most men to do that.

The median is the dividing point where half are above and half are below. The median between 99 and 200 would be closer to 150, although you have no numbers in between, which makes it almost an abstract argument like dividing zero.

You do have a point that the median does not show the distribution within the median. i.e. the median of the median. Still common sense and knowing that the world loves a bell curve, there will be plenty of folks in the lower portion of the lower median (though possibly fewer as you get further away from the median). When I have time, I think there are Census numbers on this.

[Econolodge-911]

Originally Posted by quiet walker

BREAKING NEWS — County Board Votes to Withdraw from Immigration Enforcement Program | ARLnow.com

Looks like they've finally turned Arlington into the definitive slave labor pool for DC-area contractors.

Why does this not surprise me?

[Econolodge-911]

Per the ICE website (http://www.ice.gov/pi/nr/1006/100621washington.htm): (broken link)

“Formerly, during the booking process, arrestees’ fingerprints were checked for criminal history information only against the biometric database maintained by the FBI. With the implementation of Secure Communities, this fingerprint information is now automatically and simultaneously checked against both the FBI criminal history records and the biometrics-based immigration records maintained by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). If any fingerprints match those of someone in the DHS biometric system, the new automated process notifies ICE. ICE evaluates each case to determine the individual’s immigration status and takes appropriate enforcement action. This includes aliens who are in lawful status and those who are present without lawful authority. Once identified through fingerprint matching, ICE will respond with a priority placed on aliens convicted of the most serious offenses first – such as those with convictions for major drug offenses, murder, rape and kidnapping.”

This program isn’t hunting down illegal immigrants who, aside from their immigration status, are law-abiding. It’s about relaying information to ICE so they can at least deport illegal immigrants that are convicted of serious crimes.

So what exactly does "opting out" of this mandated program have to do with affirming human rights, Mr. Tejada?

Agenda, much?

[justtitans]

Uh-oh pump the brakes. Looks like this article is the thread-killer:

Local jurisdictions find they can't opt out of federal immigration enforcement program

[CAVA1990]

Originally Posted by Econolodge-911

This includes aliens who are in lawful status and those who are present without lawful authority. Once identified through fingerprint matching, ICE will respond with a priority placed on aliens convicted of the most serious offenses first – such as those with convictions for major drug offenses, murder, rape and kidnapping.”

This program isn’t hunting down illegal immigrants who, aside from their immigration status, are law-abiding. It’s about relaying information to ICE so they can at least deport illegal immigrants that are convicted of serious crimes.

So what exactly does "opting out" of this mandated program have to do with affirming human rights, Mr. Tejada?

Agenda, much?

Actually it will include all immigrants here, legal or illegal, including those on TPS. This is why Arlington is trying to get out of it. They have a huge number of legal immigrants who could theoretically deported for any offense, not just the serious ones mentioned.