$25 or more to drive the special HOT lanes of the beltway- will you pay?

[The Dissenter]

Originally Posted by leighland

I am very interested to read locals experiences when 66 goes toll, esp inside the beltway. I suspect much much more vitriol and warmongering towards privatized tool systems...



FAQs about the newly approved I-66 tolls inside the Beltway | WTOP

I live off Washington Blvd near 66 and to say I'm worried about the impact of additional traffic around here would be an understatement. Even though I'm reverse commuting to Fairfax now, I know there will be pain when the tolls go live. Im holding out for my next move to be out of the area but this may force my hand.

[lizzyc413]

Originally Posted by boyd888

This is by far your biggest issue. How much more house could you buy with $500 a month since you are willing to spend it on tolls anyway? This doesn't even take into account commute time saved.

Some of my workers do the 66 trek every day and I think they are near the breaking point too.

Oh I definitely know that - I wasn't working in Tysons when we moved here but you know how that goes. We do plan on moving as soon as my kids are in school, right now we have an amazing childcare set-up that is worth the suffering for now.

[boyd888]

Originally Posted by leighland

I am very interested to read locals experiences when 66 goes toll, esp inside the beltway. I suspect much much more vitriol and warmongering towards privatized tool systems...
FAQs about the newly approved I-66 tolls inside the Beltway | WTOP

VDOT estimates that like half of all people driving on 66 inside the beltway during rush hour are violators. Making the lanes all toll will either push a ton of cars onto "free" roads like Rt 50 or they going to start bringing in a lot more revenue from people that can no longer escape breaking the rules.

[snowdenscold]

Originally Posted by WittyUserName

I find most of the "I live in Arlington, 5 minutes from my office, and so should everyone else" crowd tend to have bought in 1992 when home prices were still somewhat tied to incomes.

Ask them to come up with the cash for a similar house today, and they'll be in Lake Ridge with you because they don't make enough to support a $1M house, like most of us.

And even if they successfully convinced everyone overnight to adopt their mindset, we'd then just have a demand that was about 50X the supply. So that doesn't add up...

[leighland]

Originally Posted by The Dissenter

I live off Washington Blvd near 66 and to say I'm worried about the impact of additional traffic around here would be an understatement. Even though I'm reverse commuting to Fairfax now, I know there will be pain when the tolls go live. Im holding out for my next move to be out of the area but this may force my hand.

Originally Posted by boyd888

VDOT estimates that like half of all people driving on 66 inside the beltway during rush hour are violators. Making the lanes all toll will either push a ton of cars onto "free" roads like Rt 50 or they going to start bringing in a lot more revenue from people that can no longer escape breaking the rules.

When I lived in Merrifield, 50e/7e /Wash blvd is death in the am due to Pentagon traffic. I wonder if everyone living east of the beltway sees the flood of traffic coming onto their local local roads like you guys do. Esp from the hov3 violators (there's a lot but certainly NOT half of all commutes) who are not accountable now but sure will be when those ezpass readers come up

[Fallout Zone]

Originally Posted by The Dissenter

I live off Washington Blvd near 66 and to say I'm worried about the impact of additional traffic around here would be an understatement. Even though I'm reverse commuting to Fairfax now, I know there will be pain when the tolls go live. Im holding out for my next move to be out of the area but this may force my hand.

I don't know that the side roads will see much impact until the HOV-2 exemption expires in 2020.

Originally Posted by boyd888

VDOT estimates that like half of all people driving on 66 inside the beltway during rush hour are violators. Making the lanes all toll will either push a ton of cars onto "free" roads like Rt 50 or they going to start bringing in a lot more revenue from people that can no longer escape breaking the rules.

I'm pretty sure that a lot of violators will just go from being HOV violators to toll violators. All you have to do is put the receiver on HOV and hope like now that you won't get caught by the cops. A lot will pay too. I'm just not sure that a lot of "cheaters" will end up on the side roads.

[WittyUserName]

Originally Posted by Fallout Zone

I'm pretty sure that a lot of violators will just go from being HOV violators to toll violators. All you have to do is put the receiver on HOV and hope like now that you won't get caught by the cops. A lot will pay too. I'm just not sure that a lot of "cheaters" will end up on the side roads.

Except with HOT lanes, I believe the cameras will catch the toll violators. Don't need to get them on the side of the road.

Recall the people who got thousand dollar bills from the HOT lane company operating 495 and apparently "didn't know" they owed anything.

[skeddy]

Originally Posted by Fallout Zone

I don't know that the side roads will see much impact until the HOV-2 exemption expires in 2020.



I'm pretty sure that a lot of violators will just go from being HOV violators to toll violators. All you have to do is put the receiver on HOV and hope like now that you won't get caught by the cops. A lot will pay too. I'm just not sure that a lot of "cheaters" will end up on the side roads.

you don't think they have that figured out?