Aug 12 truck on rampage on 395 (living in, vs, moving)

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by BOS2IAD

I, too, had to look up "gore point". Good to know I'm not alone.

Well you know that when you are driving you are supposed to stay in your lane and not cross solid lines right? You don't need to know what a gore point is, to know that you shouldn't be driving on it. If you decide to drive in places you shouldn't be driving, then it's hard for me to feel sorry for you is something bad happens. The white lines are not painted on the roads just to look pretty.

[BOS2IAD]

Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz

Yeah, well at least one of those poor little drivers was committing a traffic infraction when they were hit. If they had been driving responsibly they would not have been involved.

You can't say that with 100% certainty.

As for your claims that every single car should have moved over for the ambulance, no one has to move over for an ambulance that's not running the siren or flashing their lights. From what I saw from the clips, the ambulance was running silent.

How can anyone anticipate what a deranged driver is going to do next? Think about it.

[ICS67]

Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz

Well there you go. They don't get out of the way of the emergency vehicles because they don't think they will get rammed. But it turns out the ambulance is stolen and they do get rammed. One of the cars that was hit by the truck was illegally crossing over a gore point when he was hit. That guy should be found at fault for that crash. If he wasn't illegally crossing the gore point he wouldn't have been hit. I hope his insurance claims agent sees that video.

I'm sorry but some of these drivers deserve to get hit. They have absolutely no situational awareness whatsoever.

Since you live on the Oregon coast I guess your profound ignorance of traffic conditions in the greater Washington area can be excused. Highways around here can be filled with traffic on weekends, non-rush hour, late night, etc. There was NO place for the drivers caught in the rampage of this idiot to get out of the way, as you suggest. This isn't Route 101 on the Oregon coast.

All you seem obsessed about is the one driver who was in the gore point. Here's a quote from the Washington Post about the driver of the stolen vehicles and his actions after he crashed the first one he stole:

"He [the perp] briefly stopped and talked with people who told police Caldwell sounded “incoherent.” Caldwell intentionally “floored” his vehicle at the group “in an attempt to run them over,” police alleged. Authorities asserted he circled and drove at them again, this time running over their items. Police said in court documents that he then drove onto a bicycle path, across the grass and onto George Washington Memorial Parkway, against traffic."

By your logic, I guess the pedestrians he aimed at would have been 100 percent at fault if Caldwell had struck them because they didn't get out of his way fast enough?

[Flamingo13]

Originally Posted by BOS2IAD

You can't say that with 100% certainty.

As for your claims that every single car should have moved over for the ambulance, no one has to move over for an ambulance that's not running the siren or flashing their lights. From what I saw from the clips, the ambulance was running silent.

How can anyone anticipate what a deranged driver is going to do next? Think about it.

He/she is obviously not thinking

[Flamingo13]

Originally Posted by ICS67

Since you live on the Oregon coast I guess your profound ignorance of traffic conditions in the greater Washington area can be excused. Highways around here can be filled with traffic on weekends, non-rush hour, late night, etc. There was NO place for the drivers caught in the rampage of this idiot to get out of the way, as you suggest. This isn't Route 101 on the Oregon coast.

All you seem obsessed about is the one driver who was in the gore point. Here's a quote from the Washington Post about the driver of the stolen vehicles and his actions after he crashed the first one he stole:

"He [the perp] briefly stopped and talked with people who told police Caldwell sounded “incoherent.” Caldwell intentionally “floored” his vehicle at the group “in an attempt to run them over,” police alleged. Authorities asserted he circled and drove at them again, this time running over their items. Police said in court documents that he then drove onto a bicycle path, across the grass and onto George Washington Memorial Parkway, against traffic."

By your logic, I guess the pedestrians he aimed at would have been 100 percent at fault if Caldwell had struck them because they didn't get out of his way fast enough?

Thank you! Obsessed is one word for it

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by BOS2IAD

You can't say that with 100% certainty.

As for your claims that every single car should have moved over for the ambulance, no one has to move over for an ambulance that's not running the siren or flashing their lights. From what I saw from the clips, the ambulance was running silent.

How can anyone anticipate what a deranged driver is going to do next? Think about it.

I heard sirens in the video, and the flashing lights are clearly visible. But even if it was not an ambulance, police chases involve dozens of police cars. When you see a line of a dozen police cars coming up behind you in your rearview mirror, it's probably a good idea to start paying attention. Because something is about to happen, and it's not going to be good.

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by ICS67

Since you live on the Oregon coast I guess your profound ignorance of traffic conditions in the greater Washington area can be excused. Highways around here can be filled with traffic on weekends, non-rush hour, late night, etc. There was NO place for the drivers caught in the rampage of this idiot to get out of the way, as you suggest. This isn't Route 101 on the Oregon coast.

All you seem obsessed about is the one driver who was in the gore point. Here's a quote from the Washington Post about the driver of the stolen vehicles and his actions after he crashed the first one he stole:

"He [the perp] briefly stopped and talked with people who told police Caldwell sounded “incoherent.” Caldwell intentionally “floored” his vehicle at the group “in an attempt to run them over,” police alleged. Authorities asserted he circled and drove at them again, this time running over their items. Police said in court documents that he then drove onto a bicycle path, across the grass and onto George Washington Memorial Parkway, against traffic."

By your logic, I guess the pedestrians he aimed at would have been 100 percent at fault if Caldwell had struck them because they didn't get out of his way fast enough?

I drove delivery trucks in the San Francisco Bay Area for 15 years. I know what traffic is like. I pull over for emergency vehicles, some people don't. It's your choice, but if you don't want to pull over, be prepared for the consequences.

[toosie]

The driver of the three stolen vehicles has had run-ins with the law before - multiple charges, including for

Spoiler

stealing a vehicle and trying to drive it on train tracks

. From another source, looks like he might’ve injured at least one animal in that incident. Write up from The Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md...len-ambulance/

.

[Veritas Vincit]

The kind of guy who probably should be in jail for good.

[BOS2IAD]

Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz

I heard sirens in the video, and the flashing lights are clearly visible. But even if it was not an ambulance, police chases involve dozens of police cars. When you see a line of a dozen police cars coming up behind you in your rearview mirror, it's probably a good idea to start paying attention. Because something is about to happen, and it's not going to be good.

You don't live in NoVA thus you aren't familiar as to what traffic is like around here. The major roads are constantly congested no matter what time of day (although in the wee hours, less so). It's not easy to move over for a deranged driver or to get out of the way of the police. IOW, it's not as simple as signaling one's turn then easily moving over.

You can pay attention all you want but if there is a deranged driver climbing up on your tail, moving over quickly isn't always possible.

If you think that all those people whose cars got hit are to blame for not getting out of the deranged driver's way, then you are really naive. Even if they all were able to get into a breakdown lane (assuming there is one), they still wouldn't have been safe from such a driver.