08-05-2009, 04:27 PM
Location: South South Jersey
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Did any of you hear about this? Apparently, in the early '90s, Disney CEO Michael Eisner wanted to build a third Disney theme park in the U.S. near Haymarket, in PW County. Don't worry - the project is dead (though some claim not *completely*).. I'm curious, though... what did you guys think about this when/if you heard about it? And, if you didn't, what do you think about it now?
I don't have a firm opinion - I loved WDW as a kid but can totally understand objections to putting a Disney park in VA.
BTW, I searched the NoVA forum for old threads about this, and didn't find any dedicated to the topic.. probably because it predates CD.
A site dedicated to Disney's America:
Disney's America
There's also a Wikipedia article:
Disney's America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
08-05-2009, 04:36 PM
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I remember when there was talk about Disney putting a theme park in Haymarket a while ago. But the deal fell through and it didn't happen.
I have heard that Disney is putting some sort of themed hotel in over at the National Harbour - I think the plan is to do some sort of packaged tours of local attractions. But I don't have any real details on it.
08-05-2009, 04:40 PM
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Much as I love Disney, I thought it was just somehow not right. I can't see Disney treating American history in a way that I'd find reverent enough, or something like that.
What really turned me off was that Disney went around buying up individual tracts of land adjacent to or near each other, without disclosing to the sellers or anybody else what their plans were. So nobody really knew until well into the conceptualization that Disney had all that land out there. IMO, they shouldn't have been all sneaky about it like that. I'd have had a lot more respect for the project if they'd made their plans clear at the outset. The real outset. Like before they started buying up land.
08-05-2009, 06:41 PM
Location: Paramus, NJ
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When I learned that Disney did this, it didn't sit well with me either. I'm fine with their American Adventure area in EPCOT, but as an actual park of its own? Ehhhh... I think Williamsburg is good enough as it is.
Since it was a project headed by (evil) Eisner, I'm glad it was shut down. That guy just lost all sense of magic by the late 90s (-early 2000s). Walt Disney would roll fifty times over his grave on this guy.
08-05-2009, 07:35 PM
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The "Disney" rumor has been floating around the Dallas area for years. When we first moved to Big D, we "heard" Disney purchased land north of Plano & was building "Disneland part deux". Then several years later my sister moved to the Ft. Worth area & couldn't wait to tell me that a Disney theme park was going in west of Ft. Worth. Still another friend from Austin heard the basically the same thing. Don't know how this rumor got started, but it certainly has longevity, lol!
08-05-2009, 07:51 PM
Location: San Jose, CA
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Much as I love Disney, I thought it was just somehow not right. I can't see Disney treating American history in a way that I'd find reverent enough, or something like that.
What really turned me off was that Disney went around buying up individual tracts of land adjacent to or near each other, without disclosing to the sellers or anybody else what their plans were. So nobody really knew until well into the conceptualization that Disney had all that land out there. IMO, they shouldn't have been all sneaky about it like that. I'd have had a lot more respect for the project if they'd made their plans clear at the outset. The real outset. Like before they started buying up land.
According to Wikipedia that is how they bought the land for Disney World, they made 4 dummy corporations that bought the land and then merged them, in order to prevent RE speculators from driving up the price of the land and buying lots that would block their plans.
Walt Disney World Resort - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"To avoid a burst of land speculation, Disney used various dummy corporations and cooperative individuals to acquire 27,400 acres (110 km², 43 mi²) of land. The first five-acre (20,000 m², 217400 ft²) lot was bought on October 23, 1964, by the Ayefour Corporation[citation needed] (a pun on Interstate 4). Others were also used with a second or secret meanings which add to the lore of the Florida Project, including M.T. Lott Real Estate Investments ("empty lot").[2]
In May 1965, major land transactions were recorded a few miles southwest of Orlando in Osceola County. Two large tracts totaling $1.5 million were sold, and smaller tracts of flatlands and cattle pastures were purchased by exotic-sounding companies such as the Latin-American Development and Management Corporation and the Reedy Creek Ranch Corporation. In addition to three huge parcels of land were many smaller parcels, referred to as "outs."."
08-05-2009, 08:04 PM
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I remember the Disney America fight very well. There were almost daily newspaper stories about it.
I certainly don't blame Disney, or anyone in their position, to withhold their identity in land purchase negotiations....it's just good business. If you knew a mega-corporation was after land you owned, wouldn't you be tempted to "adjust" your price? I know I would be!
08-05-2009, 08:13 PM
Location: Chapel Hill, NC, formerly NoVA and Phila
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Like car54, I remember the Disney fight very well. It was all over the news, and everyone was talking about it. I lived in Maryland at the time, so it wouldn't have affected me as much as those who lived in NOVA. But I do remember there being a big outcry about Disney being near REAL civil war battlefields, dumbing down history, adding more traffic to an already congested area, etc. I also remember hearing a big collective sigh of relief from my neighbors to the south when the talk of Disney moving here was scrapped.
08-05-2009, 08:57 PM
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I remember it well. All of the County supervisors were generally for it, but a group called "PROTECT", comprised mostly of wealthy land-owners in Western PWC and Fauquier organized a strong opposition to it, holding rallies and news conferences claiming the park would destroy the natural environment and increase traffic. No one really seemed to care that the traffic was going to be going generally in the opposite direction of rush hour and that the state legislature had passed legislation that would fund the widening of 66 all the way out to Rt 15 by 1998. (Yes, it's 2009 and it still isn't there!)
So the NIMBYs chased Disney off and then disappeared, allowing developers to come in and build 1000s of tract homes instead. Why this is more preferable I'll never understand.
You can say what you want about Disney, but at the end of the day their theme parks are top-notch and they certainly bring the Midas touch to wherever they set up an operation. It wouldn't be as educational as a museum, but looking at EPCOT, Disney does a fine job of being fun while providing some education.
08-05-2009, 08:58 PM
Location: Virginia-Shenandoah Valley
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I lived where they wanted to put DW and I'm glad it fell through. The traffic on RT 15 and surrounding roads would have been atrocious. Hell, PW didn't require the right roads before Nissan was built. Just imagine what DW would have done.
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Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)