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Old 12-08-2015, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Everything in Hawaii is highly controversial.
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Old 01-01-2016, 05:31 PM
 
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From my experience, you''ll have traffic anytime from 6:00am - 7:00pm.
Granted at some point between those times it will be much heavier, and usually going from Downtown to West side will be worse in the afternoon, but for me, either way is too much!
Oh, and don't think that weekends will be a like a Sunday drive, it will be just as bad if not worse.
Forgot to add...for what it's worth, Honolulu is voted as the 3rd worse city to drive, following SF & LA respectfully, with LA as the worst.

Now with that in mind, keep in mind the associated road rage that you may encounter due to a lot of lame drivers that should not be on the road.

Keep in mind most of the off ramps will require your vehicle to have a starting time of 0-60 in 4.5 and then a 60-0 in 4.0.
If there's anywhere that had poor planning, it's the on/off ramps!

Just give yourself ample time to reach your destination, play some soothing Hawaiian music(on your stereo not with ear buds in your ears)...Slack Key is always good and keep your A/C in good operating order...soon enough you will arrive alive!

Aloha!
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Old 01-04-2016, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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I actually think the H3 route is quite hideous. Such a shame humans bulldozed through miles upon miles of gorgeous untouched tropical jungle. When traversing it, I can't help but focus on all the countless millions of cubic feet of highly contrasting bright white ugly concrete deck, guardrails and pillars among the beautiful, serene dark green natural environment. It runs through a vast area of extreme cultural significance to the Hawaiians and has made extinct at least one native species of bird.

And then you always have those obnoxious moronic motorcyclists dangerously fly by you at 90 mph because it's the only freeway they have to "open up" and get their rocks off on.

The H3 was highly controversial when planned and built. If the H3 was planned today, it would never be built.

But yes, I can see how people that don't know the history or care much for it will think that route is beautiful. To me, those kinds of views should be enjoyed and experienced only while hiking.
For the record it's not really gorgeous untouched tropical jungle. It's mostly highly degraded forest consisting mainly of invasive species. Those pretty red flowers are African tulip for example. Higher up you do see native aluhe ferns but most of the plants are introduced

Almost everywhere you go hiking on Oahu is invasive species forest, and not natural in any way
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Old 01-04-2016, 03:21 PM
 
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Almost everywhere you go hiking on Oahu is invasive species forest, and not natural in any way
Of course since birds planted those horribly nasty invasive plants up there in the mountainous boonies it's OK to pave miles of concrete over it.

You clearly missed my point.
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Old 01-04-2016, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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For the record it's not really gorgeous untouched tropical jungle. It's mostly highly degraded forest consisting mainly of invasive species. Those pretty red flowers are African tulip for example. Higher up you do see native aluhe ferns but most of the plants are introduced

Almost everywhere you go hiking on Oahu is invasive species forest, and not natural in any way
Oahu and Hawaii would be mostly bare rock if we relied on "natural". The wind and birds could only bring so much.....
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Old 01-04-2016, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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Oahu and Hawaii would be mostly bare rock if we relied on "natural". The wind and birds could only bring so much.....
You obviously have no clue about the natural history of the islands. Oahu was once lushly vegetated with native forests and wetlands. It wasn't "bare rock" until recent deforestation and overgrazing. Hawaii was and is a biodiversity hotspot. There are even species that are restricted to single valleys

http://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/forestry/hydro.html

http://www.nature.org/media/hawaii/t...ian-forest.pdf

http://truth-out.org/archive/compone...biodiversity-2

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Old 01-04-2016, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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You obviously have no clue about the natural history of the islands. Oahu was once lushly vegetated with native forests and wetlands. It wasn't "bare rock" until recent deforestation and overgrazing. Hawaii was and is a biodiversity hotspot. There are even species that are restricted to single valleys

Hawai'i Forest Watershed Hydrology

http://www.nature.org/media/hawaii/t...ian-forest.pdf

Hawaii: Model in the Battle for Biodiversity (2)
Since there is no written history from when the Polynesians came it is pure speculation
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Old 01-04-2016, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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Since there is no written history from when the Polynesians came it is pure speculation
No it's not pure speculation. The Polynesians have only been here for about 1300 years. There are many species that are endemic to Hawaii. If a species exists here but not anywhere else, clearly it's been evolving here for longer than that
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