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Personally I hope there are no losers, that the protesters use this as a negotiating tool to get concessions from the state - jobs, land, autonomy, whatever. I doubt that Ige is going to back down. If so he never would have given his approval to proceed with TMT. I suppose he could put it to a vote on a statewide ballot, that would be the democratic way to decide it. But everyone has to agree to live by the results, whatever they are.
Part Hawaiian here, although only 1/16th. Let them build it. There's been telescopes up there for decades. Its not like they're building a friggin condo. Polynesians have a long history of celestial navigation and astronomy. Just respect the land you're on and use it to further human knowledge.
Personally I hope there are no losers, that the protesters use this as a negotiating tool to get concessions from the state - jobs, land, autonomy, whatever. I doubt that Ige is going to back down. If so he never would have given his approval to proceed with TMT. I suppose he could put it to a vote on a statewide ballot, that would be the democratic way to decide it. But everyone has to agree to live by the results, whatever they are.
Ige didn't approve the telescope. The University of Hawaii/TMT went thru all the legal processes/environmental impacts, etc - and won Supreme Court challenges to get approval for this telescope. Ige can certainly make this difficult on TMT/UH - but since most people support the telescope, that would be foolish.
Their are 2 worst case scenarios. 1) It gets cold/rainy. Protesters lose funding or gives up in the cold and TMT goes up and build - they get nothing. Or, 2) TMT walks away - they get nothing which is a huge setback because that risks further STEM funding/investment in the future.
If the protesters were smart - and I'm not sure the leader of this is, he'd ask for something tangible that is realistic so they can save face rather than walk away with nothing
Ige didn't approve the telescope. The University of Hawaii/TMT went thru all the legal processes/environmental impacts, etc - and won Supreme Court challenges to get approval for this telescope. Ige can certainly make this difficult on TMT/UH - but since most people support the telescope, that would be foolish.
I was going by this news release. Maybe it was just pro-forma....
"Gov. David Ige announced that the state Department of Land and Natural Resources (DLNR) issued a notice to proceed (NTP) to the University of Hawaiʻi at Hilo for the Thirty Meter Telescope (TMT) project on Maunakea on Hawaiʻi Island. The permit was issued after DLNR confirmed the completion of the pre-construction conditions and mitigation measures required of the project in the Conservation District Use Permit (CDUP)."
Ige didn't approve the telescope. The University of Hawaii/TMT went thru all the legal processes/environmental impacts, etc - and won Supreme Court challenges to get approval for this telescope. Ige can certainly make this difficult on TMT/UH - but since most people support the telescope, that would be foolish.
Their are 2 worst case scenarios. 1) It gets cold/rainy. Protesters lose funding or gives up in the cold and TMT goes up and build - they get nothing. Or, 2) TMT walks away - they get nothing which is a huge setback because that risks further STEM funding/investment in the future.
If the protesters were smart - and I'm not sure the leader of this is, he'd ask for something tangible that is realistic so they can save face rather than walk away with nothing
Looks like option 1 at the moment. Two hurricanes heading this way so cold and rainy.
Some Hawaiian guys I know just got back from protesting. They said it was really cold but no rain. I'm glad they went to support their people and even happier to know that if the telescope is still built, they won't be bitter and resentful over it.
Ultimately, I hope the protesters stand down in exchange for something useful for Hawaiians like jobs and education. To me, it would be a shame for the telescope to move elsewhere.
And it is August with a state that has set over 120 heat records this summer. I can see them getting thru October - November and onward, not so much.
Eventually a bunch of those folks will have to go back to work - and the financial hit from the parking tickets they are starting to issue will add up......
It's not only the financial hit to the folks protesting, it's costing everyone else taxpayer money for the increased police presence required up there. The County was already in the hole from last year's lava problem, now with this protest taking up any extra money, the budget is going to be tight again.
It's not only the financial hit to the folks protesting, it's costing everyone else taxpayer money for the increased police presence required up there. The County was already in the hole from last year's lava problem, now with this protest taking up any extra money, the budget is going to be tight again.
hawaii county just needs to continue ticketing, towing, arresting, fining, etc. need to make money to close the hole in the county budget.
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