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Cleveland definatly is a market that needs an IKEA, and Cincinnati needs another Apple store. I would like to see an Apple store in downtown Cincy. There is definatly a market in both cities. I just wonder where an IKEA in Cleveland would go, the one in the Burgh is way too far out.
IF Cleveland gets an IKEA, it would likely land on the farther west side where real estate (and the local clientele) is a bit cheaper. Even though NEO is the 2nd biggest market between NYC and Chicago, I doubt it will happen anytime soon. IKEA tends to look for a lack of retail saturation in its smaller markets. That's hardly the way of things in the GCMA.
Don't tell the people in Columbus that...........most of the people i know down there think they're the only city that counts. It's really quite annoying, especially since most of them are from up here.
Yeah, they had to move, therefore it has to be better. All I usually do when I hear the Columbus-elitist comments is point out the number of professional sports franchises in either city and the fact that Columbus houses Cleveland's AAA farm team.
It's also really annoying when i run into my peer's parents and they say, "wow, you still live around here? Why? This place is a dump! You should move to Columbus, ________ lives there and they love, i bet you would too!"
To which i reply, "Actually, i love it here, i like local history, i like that i'm close to Pittsburgh and Cleveland, I prefer cities with character and soul. I like cites that look like they've been lived in for a long time, not just the past 20 years. The Columbus area (i'm talking suburbs here, no one from here actually lives in the city, they live in Dublin, Hillard, Powell or Westerville) is the opposite of everything i like about where i live. I could never live in a cookie cutter, look-alike suburb that resembles Boardman, Ohio on steroids with a Home Depot and Giant Eagle on every corner. I'm glad your kid likes it, but it's not for me." People usually shut their traps by then. It's like it's illegal to say you like NE Ohio or Pittsburgh to some people. I"m so sick of the haters!
It's also really annoying when i run into my peer's parents and they say, "wow, you still live around here? Why? This place is a dump! You should move to Columbus, ________ lives there and they love, i bet you would too!"
To which i reply, "Actually, i love it here, i like local history, i like that i'm close to Pittsburgh and Cleveland, I prefer cities with character and soul. I like cites that look like they've been lived in for a long time, not just the past 20 years. The Columbus area (i'm talking suburbs here, no one from here actually lives in the city, they live in Dublin, Hillard, Powell or Westerville) is the opposite of everything i like about where i live. I could never live in a cookie cutter, look-alike suburb that resembles Boardman, Ohio on steroids with a Home Depot and Giant Eagle on every corner. I'm glad your kid likes it, but it's not for me." People usually shut their traps by then. It's like it's illegal to say you like NE Ohio or Pittsburgh to some people. I"m so sick of the haters!
Yup, nobody lives in the city of Columbus in areas like German Village, the Short North, Clintonville, etc.....and those cookie cutter suburbs like Bexley, Upper Arlington and Grandview Heights, no character at all. There are a lot of cookie-cutter suburbs in Columbus - when the metro area is growing like Columbus is (200,000 people in the past decade), they have to live somewhere, and not everyone can afford to live in the beatuiful older suburbs like Arlington, Bexley or Grandview. Thus, new houses need to be built. Like almost any city, Columbus has plenty of history and character and soul - you seem to get caught up in broad generalizations.
And Collector, you're correct, Cleveland has much more in terms of professional sports because when those teams were created, Columbus was a much smaller city and could not support an NFL, MLB team at the time. Columbus now has the NHL and MLS, about as good as it can do in terms of landing teams.
It's fine to be proud of your hometown, and Cleveland and Youngstown are very underrated and cool cities with great food, good people and a host of things to do, but why use a post about Apple stores in Ohio to rip on Columbus - doesn't this make you as pathetic as the people you take to task in your posts for saying bad things about your hometowns?
Yup, nobody lives in the city of Columbus in areas like German Village, the Short North, Clintonville, etc.....and those cookie cutter suburbs like Bexley, Upper Arlington and Grandview Heights, no character at all. There are a lot of cookie-cutter suburbs in Columbus - when the metro area is growing like Columbus is (200,000 people in the past decade), they have to live somewhere, and not everyone can afford to live in the beatuiful older suburbs like Arlington, Bexley or Grandview. Thus, new houses need to be built. Like almost any city, Columbus has plenty of history and character and soul - you seem to get caught up in broad generalizations.
It's fine to be proud of your hometown, and Cleveland and Youngstown are very underrated and cool cities with great food, good people and a host of things to do, but why use a post about Apple stores in Ohio to rip on Columbus - doesn't this make you as pathetic as the people you take to task in your posts for saying bad things about your hometowns?
Yes, the post was a little off topic, i agree.
I was specifically commenting about people that i know. People that have moved to the Columbus area from my hometown. I also commented that they lived in places like Dublin, Powell, etc. None of them live in the city or older neighborhoods that you are talking about. I specifically mentioned that because i knew the Bexley, Grandview, etc crowd would get their panties in a bunch. I understand those are nice areas with the nice older homes that i like.
I don't blame some people for liking those new cookie-cutter neighborhoods. The homes are new, the chain stores are new, everything is new and shiney. That's great for them, but i don't really care for that type of environment. I wouldn't live in Boardman or Austintown either because they are a 1960-1970s version of suburban Columbus.
My biggest problem is with the people that live in most of the Columbus suburbs (people i know personally), that think they are better than the people left behind in their former hometowns. It's a constant conversation when these people come back home to visit. They are constantly questioning my sanity because i still reside in the Mahoning Valley. They think there is nothing to do here, no one is educated and the shopping sucks. It's like some kind of demented hometown hatred everyttime they step foot in ne Ohio. The only good thing they mention is the food. How they wish they had Brier Hill Pizza, The Hot Dog Shoppe, Brother's Pizza and Itialian subs, etc, etc, etc. Otherwise there is nothing to do and those of us left behind are crazy.
So, even though you see it as me bashing Columbus, which i admit i do when it comes to the Dublin's, etc. It's more me defending my decision for staying here, for trying to support myself, for being near my family, etc, etc. It's very frustrating to have people tell me that i'm stupid for staying. That I would be much better off and happier where they live. How their "new" hometown is so much better than "home". It's the same thing when my brother comes home from North Carolina and when friends come home from all over the south. I'm just sick of it. So i'm sorry for the rant, but some people don't care for shiney and new. I guess that's my point.
I was specifically commenting about people that i know. People that have moved to the Columbus area from my hometown. I also commented that they lived in places like Dublin, Powell, etc. None of them live in the city or older neighborhoods that you are talking about. I specifically mentioned that because i knew the Bexley, Grandview, etc crowd would get their panties in a bunch. I understand those are nice areas with the nice older homes that i like.
I don't blame some people for liking those new cookie-cutter neighborhoods. The homes are new, the chain stores are new, everything is new and shiney. That's great for them, but i don't really care for that type of environment. I wouldn't live in Boardman or Austintown either because they are a 1960-1970s version of suburban Columbus.
My biggest problem is with the people that live in most of the Columbus suburbs (people i know personally), that think they are better than the people left behind in their former hometowns. It's a constant conversation when these people come back home to visit. They are constantly questioning my sanity because i still reside in the Mahoning Valley. They think there is nothing to do here, no one is educated and the shopping sucks. It's like some kind of demented hometown hatred everyttime they step foot in ne Ohio. The only good thing they mention is the food. How they wish they had Brier Hill Pizza, The Hot Dog Shoppe, Brother's Pizza and Itialian subs, etc, etc, etc. Otherwise there is nothing to do and those of us left behind are crazy.
So, even though you see it as me bashing Columbus, which i admit i do when it comes to the Dublin's, etc. It's more me defending my decision for staying here, for trying to support myself, for being near my family, etc, etc. It's very frustrating to have people tell me that i'm stupid for staying. That I would be much better off and happier where they live. How their "new" hometown is so much better than "home". It's the same thing when my brother comes home from North Carolina and when friends come home from all over the south. I'm just sick of it. So i'm sorry for the rant, but some people don't care for shiney and new. I guess that's my point.
So, back on topic.........
Point well taken. There's really nothing wrong with living in new cookie-cutter type of areas if that's what makes you happy, and there's also nothing wrong with living in older more established areas if that's what you want. People really shouldn't knock either choice.
That's too bad that friends of yours act like that - I've found many of the towns in the Mahoning Valley to be quite nice (Poland looks New England-like for example). I firmly believe that someday in the not too distant future NE Ohio will have a renaissance. The infrastructure is in place and there just needs to be a spark to speed the process. If that means less people moving to Columbus, so be it. The result will mean a healthier Ohio as a whole.
It's also really annoying when i run into my peer's parents and they say, "wow, you still live around here? Why? This place is a dump! You should move to Columbus, ________ lives there and they love, i bet you would too!"
To which i reply, "Actually, i love it here, i like local history, i like that i'm close to Pittsburgh and Cleveland, I prefer cities with character and soul. I like cites that look like they've been lived in for a long time, not just the past 20 years. The Columbus area (i'm talking suburbs here, no one from here actually lives in the city, they live in Dublin, Hillard, Powell or Westerville) is the opposite of everything i like about where i live. I could never live in a cookie cutter, look-alike suburb that resembles Boardman, Ohio on steroids with a Home Depot and Giant Eagle on every corner. I'm glad your kid likes it, but it's not for me." People usually shut their traps by then. It's like it's illegal to say you like NE Ohio or Pittsburgh to some people. I"m so sick of the haters!
I know the type. I think it's a sign of a bad "grass is greener" complex, which seems be be quite common in NE Ohio and Western PA. It usually involves someone hyping up Columbus or somewhere in the Carolinas, and is pretty annoying. At the same time it's also laughable to me because they are essentially hyping up mediocre places and it basically comes across as being provincial.
The concept of hyping up Columbus is something you would never hear outside of Ohio. And I never understood the Ohio obsession with the Carolinas either. Whenever I'm back in the area it's pretty much a given that I will see an OBX sticker on the back of a car, which is not something I have seen in 9 years living outside of Ohio.
When people back in Ohio start with that crap I personally like calling them out. I usually tell them they have poor taste and if they were going to leave Ohio they should have moved to a real city. Usually they are just trading their suburban house in Ohio for another suburban house somewhere else anyway. Since I have lived on the west coast and Chicago there is not much they can say either LOL.
Funny enough I have some well traveled friends from Ohio that have lived in NYC and Europe, and this is not an issue with them. It's usually an issue with the people I come across who think Myrtle Beach is the vacation mecca or something.
I don't live in Ohio anymore, but would never come back trashing it and don't have much respect for people without some hometown pride. I have to give you props for sticking up for Y-town. It's refreshing to hear something positive about the area.
CG, rep points to you. It is nice to see you constantly sticking up for Youngstown. It is always funny to see the people who bash Ohio, they are usually the ones who live here and want out, or the people who have never visited here. I work with plenty of people from around the Midwest and Northeast, and they all love it there, just like myself. A lot of people who end up leaving eventually come back too. It happens back in my former state of Pennsylvania as well.
Youngstown is such an overbashed and underrated area. Millcreek park is a true gem, and you have hard working people with great attitudes. A lot of good news has been coming out of your area lately, and reading all about the new companies and businesses starting up in Ytown is awesome. I read that the Italian Fest in downtown Youngstown had record attendance. As well as 200 new jobs are coming to downtown as well. I plan on heading up to the area for the Canfield Fair as I always hear good things about it.
Keep sticking up for Youngstown, things are already starting to change for the better...
I was specifically commenting about people that i know. People that have moved to the Columbus area from my hometown. I also commented that they lived in places like Dublin, Powell, etc. None of them live in the city or older neighborhoods that you are talking about. I specifically mentioned that because i knew the Bexley, Grandview, etc crowd would get their panties in a bunch. I understand those are nice areas with the nice older homes that i like.
I don't blame some people for liking those new cookie-cutter neighborhoods. The homes are new, the chain stores are new, everything is new and shiney. That's great for them, but i don't really care for that type of environment. I wouldn't live in Boardman or Austintown either because they are a 1960-1970s version of suburban Columbus.
My biggest problem is with the people that live in most of the Columbus suburbs (people i know personally), that think they are better than the people left behind in their former hometowns. It's a constant conversation when these people come back home to visit. They are constantly questioning my sanity because i still reside in the Mahoning Valley. They think there is nothing to do here, no one is educated and the shopping sucks. It's like some kind of demented hometown hatred everyttime they step foot in ne Ohio. The only good thing they mention is the food. How they wish they had Brier Hill Pizza, The Hot Dog Shoppe, Brother's Pizza and Itialian subs, etc, etc, etc. Otherwise there is nothing to do and those of us left behind are crazy.
So, even though you see it as me bashing Columbus, which i admit i do when it comes to the Dublin's, etc. It's more me defending my decision for staying here, for trying to support myself, for being near my family, etc, etc. It's very frustrating to have people tell me that i'm stupid for staying. That I would be much better off and happier where they live. How their "new" hometown is so much better than "home". It's the same thing when my brother comes home from North Carolina and when friends come home from all over the south. I'm just sick of it. So i'm sorry for the rant, but some people don't care for shiney and new. I guess that's my point.
So, back on topic.........
Amen, sista!
Although as someone who lives in North Boardman, across from the Forest Glen area, the houses here aren't really cookie cutter like the rest of Boardman, but I digress......
C-Bus is like bland Anytown USA, and I just don't get why people like it. Most of the town is like one giant suburb with a small downtown and neighborhoods like the Arena District, that just look old and historic without actually being so. Its just very plastic, there, but I digress......
Back on topic.....
Personally, I would like to see them open up an Apple Store here in the Valley, either at Eastwood or Southern Park, but it will probably never happen. The only option we seem to have here is Best Buy and they suck. What I'd really like to see is a decent independent Authorized Mac Retailer here in town. Right now, I go to this place in Cranberry Twp. for my Mac needs:
As for IKEA, the one in Pittsburgh is just fine for me, with the B.V. Expressway all done, I can get down there in 45 minutes on a good day.
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