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Old 09-02-2013, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Where there is too much snow!
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It seems that Ohio is thinking about making smokers pay more, ie $5 more per pack of smokes more. You go for it Ohio, make them suck it up and please don't use any of the extra money for sports at any level. Use it for cancer research were it is truly needed and for childhood illnesses.

Now with all that said: I'd like to hear your views on this matter Ohio and any other who'd like to add in on this matter in reference to your states smokers issues.
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Old 09-02-2013, 02:26 PM
 
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As an occasional smoker, I say "fine with me." Smoking has a lot of negative effects on people other than the smokers themselves. They should contribute to fixing the problems they create/perpetuate. It's not your right to bring problems to other people. To me, it's a question of personal responsibility.

I'm glad the Republicans are doing it; otherwise, we'd see an extra ton of feigned outrage at "government".
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Old 09-02-2013, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Where there is too much snow!
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Being a former smoker myself and glad that I quit years ago. I'd like to see the cig tax hike go through. But I still don't want to see a dime of that money going back to the smokers in any way, they, like myself know of its (smokings) damaging effect and need to deal with it on their own. To bad Obamacare isn't able to allow the insurance companies to charge smokers and alcoholics to pay more on their premiums. But no, the rest of us have to carry them on ours in one way or another.
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Old 09-02-2013, 05:20 PM
 
Location: NM
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Fine with me, as a non smoker I can't stand that smell and inhaling it second hand is something I don't like doing. When it comes to something like this, tax away.
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Old 09-02-2013, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Where there is too much snow!
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What gets my goat is that I'm a local truck driver and if you let your truck get a little dusty, they yell atcha for it. But the smokers truck absolutely reek of smoke and they say nothing to them. Especially when they use a non-smokers truck and light up in as if there's no problem and the company says nothing to them for that either.

But it does makes me laugh when they (the smokers) sit there complaining amount not making enough money (as they light up another one) and make the same as I do. So the state can tax away their paycheck if they're dumb enough to keep on smoking. I still think they should make them pay more of they insurance than the non-smoker do.
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Old 09-02-2013, 08:14 PM
 
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I still think they should make them pay more of they insurance than the non-smoker do.
I can sympathize with this idea, but it makes me wonder where the line is to be drawn. Do we charge fat people more for insurance? Should we monitor people's diets and exercise habits? What's to stop people from lying about smoking? How is it determined if they're lying? How much do you have to smoke in order to be considered a smoker? (That one concerns me, since I like to indulge occasionally, but I can go months without any, or perhaps polish off a pack over the course of a week or two.) Should spouses of smokers pay more, too?

The tax seems like a reasonable way to make smokers cough up some penance for the damage they inflict on society, and it works directly in proportion to how much they're doing it. Charging them more for insurance is fraught with logistical, and perhaps Constitutional, problems.
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Old 09-03-2013, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Smokers do pay more for insurance. There are tobacco rates and non tobacco rates. Check out ehealthinsurance and you will see they pay a big difference.
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Old 09-03-2013, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Many of the worst drinkers and smokers don't carry insurance and/or are unemployed anyway, and hospitals & doctors pass the cost of their care onto everyone else. They should be taxed at the source (tobacco & liquor sales), but that money should go to help offset health care costs for everyone, or be used to fund Medicare/Medicaid.
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