Is there any hope of the 3C's ever splitting off into separate states (Columbus: 2013, neighborhoods)

[motorman]

Because it borders Kentucky, many "upstaters" wish to separate Cincinnati from Ohio and delegate it to "The South" (along with typical southern attributes). But, as several posters have already pointed out, Ohio's "3-C's" may be viewed in radically different ways, depending upon who's doing the looking (and the subsequent cherry-picking).

For example, Cincy's been facilely labeled "the most southern city in the North and the most northern city in the South," but it's neither. Like natininja pointed out earlier, the city's been heavily molded by a German and Catholic presence more so than an Appalachian and black one, and its economic past has been been shaped predominately by manufacturing, commerce and shipping, and academia as much as have the cities of Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and Detroit.

Lastly, concerning Kentucky... It was never more than a "border state" during the Civil War and really not a part of the "Deep South." And although (from Kentucky, Tennessee, and West Virginia) Appalachians and blacks migrated to Cincinnati for well-known reasons, these same migrations also affected all large Midwest cities, especially Cleveland, Detroit, and Chicago.

[L2DB]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

These threads keep getting more ridiculous.

This times a million.

In before:

If we changed the names from Columbus to Cavsbus and Cincinnati to Brownsinnati, would intra-state harmony improve?

[motorman]

Originally Posted by L2DB

This times a million.

In before:

If we changed the names from Columbus to Cavsbus and Cincinnati to Brownsinnati, would intra-state harmony improve?

Don't be too critical... Inane threads such as this one not help stimulate lonely, bored or empty minds (mine included), but it keeps all of us off the streets or unglued to our cell-phones and harmlessly preoccupied until Oprah Winfrey, Judge Judy, or Jerry Springer time. And, let's face it, when you read through the rest of the dreck on City-Data or City-vs-City, this particular topic's gotta look good.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Cleverfield

You're crazy if you don't think Cleveland feels like Buffalo. They're practically a part of a single long city that runs along the southeast coast of Lake Erie. And you can say that the cities/regions work together just fine, but you probably only feel that way if you are a conservative. Because of populous conservative strongholds like Southwest Ohio, Ohio has had a republican led congress for decades, which makes it difficult for more historically liberal areas like NEO to get things that they want accomplished.

I'm a liberal, and fairly progressively so.

Redistricting has allowed for far more GOP representation than the actual demographics of the state support. Ohio's 3-Cs account for a huge % of the vote, and they're all blue now except for some of the suburbs.

[motorman]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

...Redistricting has allowed for far more GOP representation than the actual demographics of the state support. Ohio's 3-Cs account for a huge % of the vote, and they're all blue now except for some of the suburbs.

Certainly a significant transformation that many people may be unaware of, but politicos aren't--and these shifts in "3-C" red/blue affiliation are fueling much of the turmoil between the cities proper and their outlying, affluent suburbs.

[Natural510]

Originally Posted by Cleverfield

I'm not embarrassed to be from Ohio, I just find it hard to fathom that cities as different as Cleveland and Cincinnati exist in the same state. What other state in the country do you find 2 major cities with such fundamental differences? It creates political havoc, because of the different desires and agendas of each city. If you don't think that Cincinnati is similar to parts of Kentucky then you're deluding yourself. Similarly, if you can't see the similarities between Cleveland, Erie, Buffalo, and Pittsburgh, you're also deluding yourself. NEO has more connection with appalachia than you might think. It sits on the appalachian plateau, and originally was the port city for the pennsylvania oil fields that sat in Appalachia. Lots of West Virginians resettled in Akron and Canton in the 20th century as well. I honestly feel much more similarity when I travel to West Virginia, Western PA, or Western NY from Cleveland than I do with areas South and West of Cleveland.

Move to Indiana if you want complete homoginy. Ohio is interesting because it has such an array of climate & (American) culture. This kind of provincial mentality is specifically what is holding the region (Midwest as a whole) back; it's a global era with a global economy, and if the cities & states here don't learn to work together and compete with other countries & regions of the US, they'll continue to be left behind.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by L2DB

This times a million.

In before:

If we changed the names from Columbus to Cavsbus and Cincinnati to Brownsinnati, would intra-state harmony improve?

I'm feeling all fuzzy and harmonious at the mere thought!

[sheena12]

Originally Posted by Cleverfield

You're crazy if you don't think Cleveland feels like Buffalo. They're practically a part of a single long city that runs along the southeast coast of Lake Erie. And you can say that the cities/regions work together just fine, but you probably only feel that way if you are a conservative. Because of populous conservative strongholds like Southwest Ohio, Ohio has had a republican led congress for decades, which makes it difficult for more historically liberal areas like NEO to get things that they want accomplished.

Cleveland does not "feel like Buffalo" to me. But even if it subjectively feels like another state to you, it's NOT in another state.

I'm from NY State originally. Take Rochester, New York City and Albany. Should they form different states? What about LA and San Fransisco? Should these really different cities form other states?
How about Miami and Gainesville? Same states or different?

This "dream Gerrymandering sounds a bit like a bizarre medical experiment that will never happen.
And I, for one, am glad of that. Get over it. It's a diverse state.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by sheena12

Cleveland does not "feel like Buffalo" to me.

I've wondered about this assertion that comes along on these forums all the time too... Seems like common knowledge around here that Cleveland, Buffalo, and Milwaukee are essentially the same exact thing. I don't quite see it...

[Linda_d]

Originally Posted by Cleverfield

I'm not embarrassed to be from Ohio, I just find it hard to fathom that cities as different as Cleveland and Cincinnati exist in the same state. What other state in the country do you find 2 major cities with such fundamental differences? It creates political havoc, because of the different desires and agendas of each city. If you don't think that Cincinnati is similar to parts of Kentucky then you're deluding yourself. Similarly, if you can't see the similarities between Cleveland, Erie, Buffalo, and Pittsburgh, you're also deluding yourself. NEO has more connection with appalachia than you might think. It sits on the appalachian plateau, and originally was the port city for the pennsylvania oil fields that sat in Appalachia. Lots of West Virginians resettled in Akron and Canton in the 20th century as well. I honestly feel much more similarity when I travel to West Virginia, Western PA, or Western NY from Cleveland than I do with areas South and West of Cleveland.

Ahem, you think Ohio cities are fundamentally different and so should be in separate states? ROTFLMAO! NYC and its NY suburbs have 11-12 million people, leaving about 8 for all the rest of New York which is quite a large state by area. NYC is mostly tall buildings crowded together or tightly packed, expensive suburbs (Long Island). Upstate NY is mostly forests and farmlands with cities, except for Buffalo, more the size of Youngstown than Cincinatti. You don't know "fundamental differences" until you've seen NYS ... or Illinois with Chicago dominating the entire northern part.