Do you support the new Trump ban on travel from 7 Muslim countries, even though opposed by Ohio's U.S. Senators? (Kent: live in, military)

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Jame22

America is not obsessed with guns. The media is obsessed with banning guns.

Banning guns will do nothing. Addressing mental & physical health will.

Yeah, sure it isn't.


Are Americans more mentally ill than all other Western nations? If so, why? If not, why are their gun death rates so much lower?

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Jame22

Where's the line between discrimination and basic math? Yes, plenty of Muslims are wonderful people but then again a lot of them aren't. Even if only 1/100 are radical- You let in 100,000 immigrants and you have an army of 1,000 dangerous people on your hands. If you care about basic human rights but are afraid to critique the Muslim religion you're a hypocrite. Sharia law is no joke. It's just never going to mesh with Western values.

Basic math says that the threat of terrorism is FAR less than that from native-born citizens. Or lightning. Or shark attacks. Or toddlers. In the last decade, hundreds of thousands of immigrants/refugees from Muslim-majority nations were allowed into the US. You could count the number of them involved in terrorism on a few fingers. The rate is MUCH lower than 1/100.

Being for basic human rights wouldn't support a position that bans refugees from war-torn nations because they may share a religion with some fanatics. That standard wouldn't exactly exclude Christians, would it.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

Absolutely agree. Until muslims admit there is a problem within the ideology of islam, (Sharia law, womans and gay rights, radicalism, etc), they should be vetted and verified before being allowed in this country. A 90-120day "inconvenience" for non-citizens to help insure better safety of Americans seems very logical.

Christians in Kentucky and Georgia just passed anti-gay legislation. When Donald Trump bragged about sexual assault, you all rushed to his defense and said it was totally fine. The recently-released budget would cut funding for poor, elderly, protections against pollution that would otherwise sicken and kill citizens, the proposed healthcare bill would cut services and millions of people would lose their insurance, etc. Perhaps less overt in their radicalism, but I don't exactly see American conservatives as being their moral superiors, honestly, so maybe they shouldn't throw stones until getting their own houses in order.
And I don't actually think most people going on and on about Sharia law actually know what it even means.

[1watertiger]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Basic math says that the threat of terrorism is FAR less than that from native-born citizens. Or lightning. Or shark attacks. Or toddlers. In the last decade, hundreds of thousands of immigrants/refugees from Muslim-majority nations were allowed into the US. You could count the number of them involved in terrorism on a few fingers. The rate is MUCH lower than 1/100.

Being for basic human rights wouldn't support a position that bans refugees from war-torn nations because they may share a religion with some fanatics. That standard wouldn't exactly exclude Christians, would it.

I don't understand people like you that put non-citizens ahead of the safety of American citizens. And stop calling Islam a religion, it's an ideology that has serious problems. Regarding Sharia law, it's practice by millions of Muslims degrades women and does not give them equal rights of a man in a lot of countries in the Middle East.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

I don't understand people like you that put non-citizens ahead of the safety of American citizens. And stop calling Islam a religion, it's an ideology that has serious problems. Regarding Sharia law, it's practice by millions of Muslims degrades women and does not give them equal rights of a man in a lot of countries in the Middle East.

I put doing the right thing above arbitrary nationality. Being a decent human being is more important to me than waving a flag.
Um, Islam is a religion, same as Christianity or any other. You don't have to agree with what the teachings are, but it's still a religion.
Women are not treated equally under any religion in any country anywhere. There are only varying degrees of inequality. The Right's insertion of government into the ability of women to make choices about their own bodies in the US, for example, is not exactly progressive.

[1watertiger]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

I put doing the right thing above arbitrary nationality. Being a decent human being is more important to me than waving a flag.
Um, Islam is a religion, same as Christianity or any other. You don't have to agree with what the teachings are, but it's still a religion.
Women are not treated equally under any religion in any country anywhere. There are only varying degrees of inequality. The Right's insertion of government into the ability of women to make choices about their own bodies in the US, for example, is not exactly progressive.

Women not treated equally to men in Christianity? Really? Compared to islam?
You are dillusional.
https://www.politicalislam.com/about/

[1watertiger]

Lets stick our heads in the sand and pretend islam is the religion of peace.lol.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/e...act-or-fiction
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/04/t...apse-of-europe

And why are the majority of so-called displaced wartorn families young able bodied men?
Pew data: Heavy majority of asylum seekers in Europe are young men under the age of 35 « Hot Air

[Natural510]

All the terror attacks in this country since the beginning of the year have been from racist white men.

[Pretzelogik]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVBLQ10W2_0

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by Jame22

America is not obsessed with guns. The media is obsessed with banning guns.

Banning guns will do nothing. Addressing mental & physical health will.

Right. The issue is why do Americans kill each other at such high rates compared to other countries. It's not the guns, it's the people using guns to kill one another. No one wants to discuss that aspect of the gun ''problem''.