02-19-2017, 04:39 PM
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You could live a car-free lifestyle in Cleveland, but you'd kind of have to "pick a side" as the great neighborhoods in both the east and west sides are divided by a large swath of ghetto in between. You could take transit right through it, but it's something to be aware of for cross-town ventures.
02-19-2017, 05:04 PM
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You could live a car-free lifestyle in Cleveland, but you'd kind of have to "pick a side" as the great neighborhoods in both the east and west sides are divided by a large swath of ghetto in between. You could take transit right through it, but it's something to be aware of for cross-town ventures.
Kind of true. There are stops along the red line that you would not want to stop by yourself - late in the evening. Like E 34, E 55, E 79, E105. But that's the deal with public transportation, particularly rail, it has to go where all classes of people will live - but particularly poorer people that need public transportation. This is true of Chicago, NYC, you name it. Its part of living in a large city.
There are great places to live in downtown, W. 25th, W. 65th, University Circle, Little Italy, Edgewater, etc. So I would not suggest you have to live in the suburbs - you absolutely do not. You can live in Cleveland.
02-19-2017, 06:53 PM
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You could live a car-free lifestyle in Cleveland, but you'd kind of have to "pick a side" as the great neighborhoods in both the east and west sides are divided by a large swath of ghetto in between. You could take transit right through it, but it's something to be aware of for cross-town ventures.
It's been that way for at least 50+ years. Not so much so on the west side, but the east side is seeing gentrification. Lots of cities have transit running though ghettos (that's such a '60s term). Use CLE's trains to get through the any 'hoods like one would have to do in any city with a large transit system. I use the red, blue, and green lines on the east side, never had a problem. One could pick downtown, the west side, and growing areas on the east side; hardly the "moat" situation you describe.
The OP stated that he/she would like cities such as Baltimore and Philly; both cities with large swaths of ''ghettos'' that one would have to traverse on public transit. It's called living in large, post-industrial cities that are becoming more appealing to live in. Cleveland is becoming one of these places as well.
Just put it out there plainly: be careful of CLE's black neighborhoods. Use the trains!
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02-19-2017, 07:57 PM
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If public transportation be the exclusive concern, agreed.
Well, the OP mentioned Baltimore and Philly as cities he/she likes and threw in the public transportation systems of OH's 3 Cs: that would be Cleveland on all levels being the most like Philly and Baltimore.
02-19-2017, 10:25 PM
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Cleveland is the only city in OH and one of maybe 15 or so in the US which has train service connecting its major airport and downtown. That alone is a significant advantage to someone without a car. You can also use the entire system for $5.50 a day -- unlimited.
02-20-2017, 05:25 AM
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Well, the OP mentioned Baltimore and Philly as cities he/she likes and threw in the public transportation systems of OH's 3 Cs: that would be Cleveland on all levels being the most like Philly and Baltimore.
Why is it so necessary to repeat what's been established early on, especially in regards to obvious similarities between Cleveland, Baltimore and Philadelphia?
The thread needs to refocus on to a real challenge that excludes Cincinnati and Columbus from this discussion entirely - that is, how to utilize exceptionally good public transit to traverse horrendous expanses of dangerous urban wastelands without harm.
Consequently, I can only hope that the OP will post his same concerns on both the Baltimore and Philly forums. Should he do this, along with additional input from Cleveland, I'm confident that he'll be able to determine which of the three public transit systems just might offer him the best chances of survival.
02-20-2017, 09:16 AM
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Why is it so necessary to repeat what's been established early on, especially in regards to obvious similarities between Cleveland, Baltimore and Philadelphia?
Another ''informed'' statement from someone that has never been to Cleveland. The question relates to public transportation; this is why Cincinnati and Columbus are removed from the discussion entirely (please don't bring up that streetcar in CIN has a transportation system, it's a ''connector'').
Yes, the CLE transit system has so many people that don't survive the ride. Any real city with a real transit system faces the same issues Cleveland riders do. I was on DC's Metro last week; some guy on PCP or something akin to it was jumping on riders waiting for the train, ended up flopping around like a fish out of water when he was knocked to the platform by another rider. This guy was truly scary.
So, you need to visit and use cities with real transit systems and not rely on the CIN connector as your base-line of what a real transit system is.
Btw, I think the OP is trolling on this topic. Anyone can check into the 3 Cs transit systems on line.
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Why is it so necessary to repeat what's been established early on, especially in regards to obvious similarities between Cleveland, Baltimore and Philadelphia?
See also Baltimore and Philadelphia for ''public transit traversing horrendous expanses of dangerous urban wastelands''; exaggerate much, don't worry the OP is not really moving to any of the 3 Cs, and please don't get overheated because CLE has the best transit system in Ohio.
Btw, sorry to hear about that deadly shooting in broad daylight Saturday afternoon in ORT and the early morning shooting on McMicken, both within range of the Connector. Sounds like the Streetcar riders are lucky to survive as well. Two shot; one dead all in one day along the Streetcar route, geez.
02-20-2017, 01:13 PM
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btw, sorry to hear about that deadly shooting in broad daylight saturday afternoon in ort and the early morning shooting on mcmicken, both within range of the connector. Sounds like the streetcar riders are lucky to survive as well. Two shot; one dead all in one day along the streetcar route, geez.
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02-20-2017, 01:15 PM
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You were the one throwing rocks about surviving Cleveland's transit rides while at the same time there were shootings along Cincinnati's streetcar route. Gun violence is hardly unique to Cleveland is the point so don't throw rocks when you live in a glass house.
Typical forum responses about Cleveland: the best transit system in OH and the hens have to squawk about surviving the ride and vast swaths of dangerous areas while at the same time, CIN's little streetcare line all of 2.2 miles roundtrip had two shootings, one deadly in its environs in 1 day. Lucky no one on the streetcar took a stray shot.
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People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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