Ohio 2018: more important TODAY-->Cincinnati, Cleveland, or Columbus? (Akron: living, versus)

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

In my opinion, Grandview Heights would be the place to look. It sounds like it might be close to what you have in Virginia Beach. Really just a stone's throw from downtown Columbus too. Clintonville isn't a suburb, but it does have that feel in parts that would be attractive for your wife. A friend of mine just bought a home in Worthington, seems like a nice place with a good quality of living, but I think that it might be too suburban for you. But take a look around I guess- it's also not far from the city really. Upper Arlington and Bexley are both quite nice places, though very wealthy (not sure of your income level).

Overall, if I were you, I'd look first at Grandview Heights and second at Clintonville. Those would be my top two preferences by a decent margin.

Grandview Heights is one of my favorite suburbs in Columbus. Great restaurants and other amenities. It's a small city relatively close to downtown and Ohio State.

However, housing is expensive and it's largely white, although the high school is excellent. It likely has a very small black population, with many non-whites being of Asian descent.

https://www.greatschools.org/ohio/co...Race_ethnicity

[motorman]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Macy's, Procter & Gamble, and Kroger all are headquartered in Cincinnati and are having their business models disrupted by Amazon. This is especially true of Macy's and Kroger, where Amazon's purchase of Whole Foods is perceived as a direct competitive threat. There are threads in the Cincinnati forum covering all of this.

Something that hasn't yet been discussed on the Cincinnati forum, but gets to the heart of why Amazon rejected Cincinnati for HQ2:

From the CINCINNATI ENQUIRER, January 19, 2018

(Randy Tucker and Sarah Brookbank, talking with
Jeff Holzmann - managing director at iintoo,
a site selection and real estate investing firm in NYC)

After Amazon's snub, city wants bite at Apple

Being top dog

"While Indianapolis and Columbus can't compete on incentives with larger markets,
they may have gotten the nod from Amazon over Cincinnati because of what they don't have," Holzmann said.

"One thing they know if they move into the city like Columbus is that they would change the landscape there, and Columbus would immediately be known as the headquarters of Amazon," he said.

"By contrast, Amazon would have to compete with such corporate giants as Procter & Gamble, Kroger and Macy's for top billing in Cincinnati."

"Amazon is just like us," he said. "We all want to be top dog. And it's not clear that would be the case in Cincinnati."

[Natural510]

Originally Posted by motorman

No arguments needed; linked material alone will invalidate your position the moment it's entered.

Oh, you mean data like this;

Large Cities Rankings - 2017 Best Cities for Job Growth | Newgeography.com
https://wallethub.com/edu/fastest-growing-cities/7010/

[motorman]

Originally Posted by Natural510

Columbus
Cleveland
Cincinnati

Not necessarily my personal preference, but that's the vein of "importance" as judged by economy and where people are choosing to move/live. I'll leave the arguing to the usual suspects...

Originally Posted by motorman

No arguments needed; linked material alone will invalidate your position the moment it's entered.

Originally Posted by Natural510

Oh, you mean data like this;

Large Cities Rankings - 2017 Best Cities for Job Growth | Newgeography.com
https://wallethub.com/edu/fastest-growing-cities/7010/

Once again, your overall premise is faulty because of your inaccurate data. Allow me to make the necessary corrections...

(a) Cincinnati is Ohio's top economy/Cleveland its third:

GDP.
Cincinnati - $132.010 BILLION
Columbus - $130.758 BILLION
Cleveland - $129.440 BILLION

TOTAL NUMBER OF JOBS.
Cincinnati - 1,104,500
Columbus - 1,101,500
Cleveland - 1,064,500

JOB GROWTH, Nov/2016-Nov/2017.
Cincinnati - 19,500
Columbus - 9,500
Cleveland - 5,300

JOB GROWTH, Dec/2016-Dec/2017.
Columbus - 15,000
Cincinnati - 6,900
Cleveland - 3,800

https://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/reg...ewsrelease.htm
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/metro.t03.htm

(b) Columbus has Ohio's best population growth/Cleveland its least:

CSA.
Columbus - (+5.84%)
Cincinnati - (+2.31%)
Cleveland - (-0.92%)

MSA.
Columbus - (+7.34%)
Cincinnati - (+2.39%)
Cleveland - (-1.04%)

CITY.
Columbus - (+9.28%)
Cincinnati - (+0.63%)
Cleveland - (-2.77%)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tistical_areas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._by_population

[jbcmh81]

Based on average GDP growth this decade, Columbus probably had the biggest economy starting last year.

[motorman]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Based on average GDP growth this decade, Columbus probably had the biggest economy starting last year.

Such projections are probably also being made with little awareness or regard to major economic developments in both NKY and Butler/Warren Counties. Here's two of them:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinna...g-when-it.html
https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinna...er-county.html

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by motorman

Such projections are probably also being made with little awareness or regard to major economic developments in both NKY and Butler/Warren Counties. Here's two of them:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinna...g-when-it.html
https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinna...er-county.html

I guess we'll see, but Columbus hasn't been having bed economic growth recently. Either way, they'll likely be fairly close to each other for at least the next few years... unless the unlikely happens and Columbus lands Amazon.

[WRnative]

Given your interest in Shaker Heights, post 15 in this thread and post 23 from today should provide some excellent granularity.

//www.city-data.com/forum/cleve...sential-3.html

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by motorman

JOB GROWTH, Dec/2016-Dec/2017.
Columbus - 15,000
Cincinnati - 6,900
Cleveland - 3,800

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/metro.t03.htm

Interesting that Ohio's fastest growing metro in nonfarm payroll jobs by far in the last year was Dayton, with 10,800 new jobs, or a 2.8 percent growth rate compared to 1.4 percent in Columbus, which had the second highest growth rate in Ohio. The growth rate in Cincinnati was 0.6 percent and in Cleveland 0.4 percent. The growth rate for all of Ohio was 1 percent, low compared to most states.

Strangely, neither Table 3, nor the news release say what the overall national increase in non-farm employment was for this period.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/metro.htm

I guess all of those persons measuring metro desirability only by job growth rates should flock to Dayton!!!

Akron had by far the fastest growth rate in real GDP year over year at 4.5 percent. Akron is part of the Cleveland/Akron combined statistical area. Summit County, where Akron is located, actually is adjacent to Cleveland's Cuyahoga County, illustrating some of the ridiculousness of these comparisons, as all adjacent counties are included in the Cincinnati and Columbus metros.

https://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/reg..._metro0917.pdf

My hunch is that Lorain County is pulling the Cleveland/Elyria metro down. IMO, it has been especially brutalized by the Republican toll road, with many factory shutdowns.

[jbcmh81]

1+1= 100% growth. 100+50 = 50% growth. Which is actually faster?