11-01-2018, 09:29 AM
Location: New Mexico via Ohio via Indiana
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You don't get more jobs when you cut the quality of public education and universities. Work force productivity and employer profits require a highly skilled work force in the 21st century.
Agreed. Everyone gripes about taxes in MN and MA but look what you get in return.
Also, I like Ojeda. Old school populist pro-union working class Democrat.
11-01-2018, 10:55 AM
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Agreed. Everyone gripes about taxes in MN and MA but look what you get in return.
Part of the challenge for Ohio is that it has never invested heavily in higher education. An anecdote that travels around educ circles is that, about 40 years ago, when told that Ohio's higher ed spending was 49th (per capita) among states, a legislator was said to be pleased because we did so much with so little. In the global picture, Ohio has two world-class universities - Case and OSU, when it probably should have three or four for its size. The best thing that the legislature could do to develop metro Cleveland, Cincinnati and Toledo would be to invest heavily in UCincinnati, UToledo, and maybe a consortium of CSU, Kent and Akron. Columbus benefits mightily from having OSU, to the detriment of other universities and cities in the state.
11-01-2018, 11:22 AM
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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Agreed. Everyone gripes about taxes in MN and MA but look what you get in return.
Average tax burden is actually less in MA vs OH.
11-01-2018, 11:31 AM
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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Part of the challenge for Ohio is that it has never invested heavily in higher education. An anecdote that travels around educ circles is that, about 40 years ago, when told that Ohio's higher ed spending was 49th (per capita) among states, a legislator was said to be pleased because we did so much with so little. In the global picture, Ohio has two world-class universities - Case and OSU, when it probably should have three or four for its size. The best thing that the legislature could do to develop metro Cleveland, Cincinnati and Toledo would be to invest heavily in UCincinnati, UToledo, and maybe a consortium of CSU, Kent and Akron. Columbus benefits mightily from having OSU, to the detriment of other universities and cities in the state.
One problem with universities is that they are just as much about culture as they are about education (to be charitable). They are giant, lumbering institutions and do not really change quickly. The schools that are good and well-reputed now are going to be the same schools that are good and well-reputed in 50 years. I don't think state funding can really change this. Even with an infusion of cash, the Akrons and Toledos of the world are still never going to compare. The only change in higher education I can see in the next 50 years will be the closing of smaller universities.
Ohio does have a few elite institutions. Case, Oberlin, Kenyon come to mind off the top of my head. Ohio State and Cincinnati are also well respected. But still, much home grown talent is still always going to look to Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford, Michigan, Northwestern, etc. Ohio simply doesn't have a school of the cache of the next level or two up. I don't think it's really possible anymore to just "make" one either.
11-01-2018, 11:48 AM
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One problem with universities is that they are just as much about culture as they are about education (to be charitable). They are giant, lumbering institutions and do not really change quickly. The schools that are good and well-reputed now are going to be the same schools that are good and well-reputed in 50 years. I don't think state funding can really change this. Even with an infusion of cash, the Akrons and Toledos of the world are still never going to compare. The only change in higher education I can see in the next 50 years will be the closing of smaller universities.
This is wrong-headed. Hiring top-notch professors and providing needed technology and physical spaces can develop a top-flight university.
The ascendancy of Case Western is a perfect example. An infusion of Smith family (Lubrizol founders) funds greatly elevated the quality of its programs and its student base (through scholarships).
https://case.edu/ech/articles/s/smith-kent-h
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Every public university in Ohio should have robust artificial intelligence and machine learning programs. I would be surprised if this is a reality. CSU apparently has one artificial intelligence course and no machine learning courses.
https://www.csuohio.edu/engineering/...r-science-mcis
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11-01-2018, 11:50 AM
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Average tax burden is actually less in MA vs OH.
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11-01-2018, 12:40 PM
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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Top notch professors want to work at top notch universities. The top notch universities have already been established (for now at least; it takes a long time to ascend nowadays). This is all just general. Of course Ohio does have some truly top of the line profs and programs (especially at the schools I've mentioned). But I think many other states just flat out have more because their elite institutions are just more plentiful and "sexier".
I do have quite a lot of experience with this at one of the aforementioned colleges here. I'm not celebrating this, but this is how it seems to me, from the inside. I know how funding works, I know how professors are, I know how curriculum is developed etc. It's really not as easy as just getting more funding (I wish it were). Even just the funding has thousands of strings attached, even for very simple sounding stuff. I deal with this on the daily.
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11-01-2018, 12:48 PM
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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Link?
I was using this:
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-wit...-burden/20494/
Perhaps some other studies would show Ohio coming out ahead, but regardless, I would say Mass and Ohio are about even as far as taxes go. The "Taxachusetts" moniker is a bit of a misnomer.
11-01-2018, 01:14 PM
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larkin is a far left liberal who needs to go away. anyone and anything against trump that's his story line. Not once reported anything good in two years regarding our president.
Nothing good to report except the economy, which trump inherited from Obama, and trump is doing the best he can to screw that up with his China trade war, among other things.
11-03-2018, 07:01 AM
Location: cleveland
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Nothing good to report except the economy, which trump inherited from Obama, and trump is doing the best he can to screw that up with his China trade war, among other things.
I disagree hundred percent. This economy has nothing to do with Obama. The tax cut was the greatest change to this economy along with pulling heavy regulations off of businesses and pulling out of bad trade deals
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People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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