Dewine set the standard on how to handle this pandemic (Republic: live, statistics)

[tribecavsbrowns]

Hi Sheena, nice to meet you as well. How did we get from 50 deaths a day in Ohio down to 12?

[Cleveland_Collector]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

You are saying it should be a crime to walk down a sidewalk in Ohio, alone, in the middle of summer, without a face covering? Punishable by "harsh penalties?" Do I have that right?

Gotta love people like you - take things completely out of context, swing to an extreme and then pretend you have a point. NOBODY is saying it should be a crime to walk down the sidewalk alone without a face covering. The current, measured approach is requiring PPE and distancing while among others in public spaces. It's no less reasonable than requiring shirts and shoes. Fortunately, most businesses I frequent for necessities are beginning to deny service to those who won't comply with this simple and very reasonable request. To be honest, I truly hope this enrages you and those of your ilk and makes your irresponsible selves shop elsewhere.

How did we get from 50 deaths a day in Ohio to 12 while reopening the state? Was it by having "harsh penalties" for people who don't cover their face every time they leave the house?

Quoting myself:

"Death rates and infection rates usually never have a proportional relationship throughout the duration of a pandemic unless the pathogen has a very high mortality rate across all demographics. The downward trend in deaths can be attributed to more testing, the lag in results of the testing, better treatment knowledge and - probably most significantly - exactly who the virus is infecting in a given time frame. It stands to reason that, especially during the summer months, flippant younger people who believe they're invincible are going to be less cautious and become infected more than their more cautious, older counterparts. Granted, younger people are less likely to succumb to this infection but they're still very capable of spreading it. Regardless of any of these facts, it doesn't mean that the losses are any less serious to those who are experiencing them. If the infection rates were 1/2 or 1/3 of what they currently are, the death rate might very well be zero."

The only reason this thing is even remotely under control is because things got locked down, albeit a bit too late. If we had competent national leadership, this would have been taken seriously out of the gate. My own company had zero cases among our 200 employees during the lockdown. Since the 4th, I've had 7 people go home sick with symptoms and at least 2 confirmed cases. We're bracing for more. Soon, I fear we'll have to temporarily cease operations. We haven't had any deaths, thankfully. Aside from the lack of a death tally, that really doesn't make this any better

[TheProf]

The Mike DeWine from the beginning of the pandemic is nowhere to be found: Analysis

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/...-analysis.html

[ohioaninsc]

Dr Acton resigned...I'm sure that's one reason he's not being as effective leading through this now...he basically did what she suggested...now he does what Trump wants.

[Cleveland_Collector]

Yes. He totally caved to the GOP power structure. It's the DeWine we should have all expected and, well, here he is. A complete and utter failure in the second half. Ohio is now ranked one of the 10 worst COVID response and cooperation states and it stems from his acquiescing to the slack-jawed, jerkwater contingent who thinks their rights are somehow being trampled because they're being temporarily required to wear a piece of cloth over their filthy pie holes when in the presence of others.

He did the same thing as AG with other major issues which is why I didn't support him for governor. My favorite was his advocacy for random, guilty-until-proven-innocent inquiries for automotive financial responsibility via snail mail. It was nothing but red meat for the "law and order" mouth breathers which cause thousands of compliant people to have their licenses suspended without their knowledge and for no reason. Ironically, the same fools who are whining about having to wear a mask in public seemingly had no problem with this egregious overreach. Thankfully, the ability to enforce this nonsense was eventually dissolved after he left office.

[Cleveland_Collector]

Originally Posted by ohioaninsc

Dr Acton resigned...I'm sure that's one reason he's not being as effective leading through this now...he basically did what she suggested...now he does what Trump wants.

This would have happened with or without Dr. Acton. She saw it coming and wisely left the position, i.e., she was and still is a very smart woman. Besides, who needs that kind of abuse from people who can barely tie their own shoes? This is all about getting the "base" out to vote in November. If they enforce the unpopular (to them) health mandates, they know that, come election time, the useful idiots will stay on their non-socially distanced bar stools drinking cheap swill and singing along to horrid pop-country rather than voting -- just like they did in 2008 and 2012.

[ohio_peasant]

Originally Posted by Cleveland_Collector

NOBODY is saying it should be a crime to walk down the sidewalk alone without a face covering. The current, measured approach is requiring PPE and distancing while among others in public spaces. It's no less reasonable than requiring shirts and shoes. Fortunately, most businesses I frequent for necessities are beginning to deny service to those who won't comply with this simple and very reasonable request. To be honest, I truly hope this enrages you and those of your ilk and makes your irresponsible selves shop elsewhere.

In the locale to which I relocated, it is precisely the case, that the official ordinance regards it as being a crime, to walk down the sidewalk without a face-covering. To leave one's domicile without a face-covering, is tantamount to an astronaut going for a space-walk without a space-suit. Just driving down the street, I see universal masking of pedestrians on the sidewalk. Indeed, most drivers - alone in their cars - are also wearing masks. And yet the new-infection rate in this locale, is setting record after record, and has become the bane of the national news.

A couple of months ago, I drove back to my former locale in Ohio, and took with me, the habits that had come to be ingrained in the new-place. At that time, perhaps 20% or 30% of Ohioans were wearing masks in grocery stores and the like. I'd wear mine in the stores, but not on the streets. I wonder how things have changed in two months.

The issue of masks-in-stores can be subsumed by the right of business owners to control what happens on their property. But what about parks, hiking trails, city sidewalks, front lawns, walking out to one's own mailbox, walking the dog, riding a bicycle, jogging? Again, in this new locale... come across a jogger, and the jogger is wearing a mask. Come across a parent pushing their child on a bicycle, the parent proud that the kid is riding unaided, the kid ecstatic with pride and overcome-fear... both wearing masks. And so on.

We've gone beyond treating masks as shirts-and-shoes. Those at least don't have to be worn when neighbors chitchat across a shared fence. Masks are the new underwear.

[Cleveland_Collector]

Maybe your "locale" is taking it to an extreme that is not mandated by the state. I have no knowledge of any such "locale." Every locale I have been in has been asking people to take a properly measured approach. Basically, wear a mask when you're gathering near people you don't know in a public setting. Maybe some of the people in this anecdotal "locale" are simply being overly cautious. I know that in Cuyahoga County, there is no such mandate as you describe. I suspect that the vast majority of actual locales are on par.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by ohio_peasant

In the locale to which I relocated, it is precisely the case, that the official ordinance regards it as being a crime, to walk down the sidewalk without a face-covering. To leave one's domicile without a face-covering, is tantamount to an astronaut going for a space-walk without a space-suit. Just driving down the street, I see universal masking of pedestrians on the sidewalk. Indeed, most drivers - alone in their cars - are also wearing masks. And yet the new-infection rate in this locale, is setting record after record, and has become the bane of the national news.

A couple of months ago, I drove back to my former locale in Ohio, and took with me, the habits that had come to be ingrained in the new-place. At that time, perhaps 20% or 30% of Ohioans were wearing masks in grocery stores and the like. I'd wear mine in the stores, but not on the streets. I wonder how things have changed in two months.

The issue of masks-in-stores can be subsumed by the right of business owners to control what happens on their property. But what about parks, hiking trails, city sidewalks, front lawns, walking out to one's own mailbox, walking the dog, riding a bicycle, jogging? Again, in this new locale... come across a jogger, and the jogger is wearing a mask. Come across a parent pushing their child on a bicycle, the parent proud that the kid is riding unaided, the kid ecstatic with pride and overcome-fear... both wearing masks. And so on.

We've gone beyond treating masks as shirts-and-shoes. Those at least don't have to be worn when neighbors chitchat across a shared fence. Masks are the new underwear.

Where is this?

[ohio_peasant]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

Where is this?

Los Angeles.