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Old 05-12-2020, 10:53 AM
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Yeah, they can't have it both ways: Either they were working, and are now getting UI + 600 - likely a raise - but even if not, that's going to be something like 50K / year. If you cannot stave off addiction or suicide "earning" 50K a year while not having to leave your pajamas, you may want to get some self-evaluation underway.


If you are NOT getting UI - then I can only conclude you weren't working before, either. No change for you.


If you are absolutely getting fleeced on UI - as in, you made, say 200K before - but now you don't - and you can't afford your Audi payment - ya shoulda saved up years ago. Poor decision making. Sell the Audi and live like a king for a few weeks. Then start over. It's what people do. I have started over three times. Do I love it? No. Will I do it a 4th and 5th and 25th time if necessary? Of course.
Yep, the problem has never been the people that you can strip everything from, drop them off in the middle of the forrest with just a compass and knife and eventually they will just work their way back to what they had because that’s the type of person they are.

The problem has always been the haters and the excuse makers.

Imagine a society that didn’t have haters and excuse makers always trying to drag it down all the time? It would make people strive for even more greatness because now the bar is set higher since everyone knows wtf they are doing to begin with. One would never be bored lol
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Old 05-14-2020, 09:10 PM
 
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A big difference between now and the '30s Great Depression though is the current and recent drug addiction in the U.S. some of which is related to the decline in working class opportunities. So, I wouldn't necessarily make it an apples-to-applies comparison to an era from 90 or so years ago. It's like comparing the 1930s to the 1840s.

South Korea and Taiwan are prepared to deal with viruses coming from China and both know, especially Taiwan, not believe what China says...about anything let alone a new, highly contagious virus coming from China.

Between the 3rd county you name, Australia, what did it do that the U.S. didn't?
It doesn't have to be an exact comparison. It's an example where the most massive economic decline in history until now did not support the assumption of increased mortality for related economic reasons.

The US was also prepared for a virus from China and other places. There was a global network in place to monitor potential outbreaks, pandemic response teams and a 70-page guide on how to prepare for the next one. We also had direct experience in both the 2009-10 H1N1 outbreak and at least 2 Ebola outbreaks. All of that experience and all the systems in place were either ignored or destroyed intentionally by the present government. There is absolutely no reason the US couldn't have had a response similar to those other countries.

What did Australia do? Have competent leadership in place with a plan of action implemented early. This really isn't that hard. Our situation was mostly self-imposed, and it's likely going to get even worse in the coming weeks and months.
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Old 05-15-2020, 12:46 PM
 
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If you're trying to say the US could have had a response similar to South Korea and Taiwan - clearly, we could not. Their main response was isolation and PPE - both things shunned by about 50% of our citizens. Besides that, heavy surveillance, and tools to back up the surveillance, (e.g., jail time or big fines) - neither of which will work here.



If you really thought the USA could respond AS GOOD AS Taiwan and South Korea - then I guess you are affirming that Donald Trump is no worse of a leader than those in England, France, Spain, Italy, and many other places.



If you have a plan that would have worked for the USA - using the tools we have available to us, as in, we're not an island - please post it. The CDC would love to have it.
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Old 05-15-2020, 02:16 PM
 
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It doesn't have to be an exact comparison. It's an example where the most massive economic decline in history until now did not support the assumption of increased mortality for related economic reasons.

The US was also prepared for a virus from China and other places. There was a global network in place to monitor potential outbreaks, pandemic response teams and a 70-page guide on how to prepare for the next one. We also had direct experience in both the 2009-10 H1N1 outbreak and at least 2 Ebola outbreaks. All of that experience and all the systems in place were either ignored or destroyed intentionally by the present government. There is absolutely no reason the US couldn't have had a response similar to those other countries.

What did Australia do? Have competent leadership in place with a plan of action implemented early. This really isn't that hard. Our situation was mostly self-imposed, and it's likely going to get even worse in the coming weeks and months.
U.S. life expectancy for men born in 1930 was 58, women 62. People born in 1880s, on average, didn't see the Great Depression. People on average didn't see the age of 40. Born in 1900: average folks didn't see 1950. African-American male born in 1900 were gone, on average, by 1933.

No one back then needed the economic carnage known as The Great Depression to kill them off, your average day to day living did it.

The average life span in the U.S. actually declined around 2017 and is generally atrributed to high number of deaths related to opiods, suicides etc. We had an issue pre-virus, why wouldn't we have one during and post-virus and the economic despair it will cause?

So what was Australia's ''plan of action implemented early'' that was different than ours? If it's really not that hard, what was it? If I knew, wouldn't ask...a second time.

Thought maybe you had something specific other than a general ''plan of action".

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Old 05-15-2020, 02:19 PM
 
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If you're trying to say the US could have had a response similar to South Korea and Taiwan - clearly, we could not. Their main response was isolation and PPE - both things shunned by about 50% of our citizens. Besides that, heavy surveillance, and tools to back up the surveillance, (e.g., jail time or big fines) - neither of which will work here.



If you really thought the USA could respond AS GOOD AS Taiwan and South Korea - then I guess you are affirming that Donald Trump is no worse of a leader than those in England, France, Spain, Italy, and many other places.



If you have a plan that would have worked for the USA - using the tools we have available to us, as in, we're not an island - please post it. The CDC would love to have it.
This poster stated that Australia's ''plan of action'' worked better than ours and still hasn't specified what is was that the Aussies did better than us.

Other than Australia's ''competent leadership'' comment, no specifics on their ''plan of action'' that differed from ours.

Wonder if it's just a case of TDS as in doesn't want anything to work, wanting more cases, and deaths, so you-know-who is to blame. Sick.
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Old 05-16-2020, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Well, it looks like we have a group eager to jump in the petri dish. Let's see how it plays out:
https://www.10tv.com/article/reports...olice-2020-may
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Old 05-17-2020, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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Well, it looks like we have a group eager to jump in the petri dish. Let's see how it plays out:
https://www.10tv.com/article/reports...olice-2020-may
Bars yesterday in Cleveland were very grateful for business on a beautiful day! I can't fathom calling the police about Social Distancing. We need to focus on nursing homes, not young people hanging out.
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Old 05-17-2020, 01:08 PM
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Well, it looks like we have a group eager to jump in the petri dish. Let's see how it plays out:
https://www.10tv.com/article/reports...olice-2020-may
This is the kind of behavior that is hurting these business owners. Not complying with the rules.

Go to the patio
Stay 6 ft away from each other
Drink your drink

Instead, they disobey directive, get the police called on them, and then ruin the experience for other patrons.

If it was only themselves that were impacted by their actions, no one would give a damn but they don’t realize that is not the case.
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Old 05-17-2020, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Bars yesterday in Cleveland were very grateful for business on a beautiful day! I can't fathom calling the police about Social Distancing. We need to focus on nursing homes, not young people hanging out.
Perhaps you’re not familiar with the concept of asymptotic carriers...
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Old 05-18-2020, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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Have any of you in Eastern OH noticed an uptick in PA license plates recently from we "refugees" coming into the Buckeye State to dine, shop, get hair cuts, etc.?
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