Trying to escape Commifornia to freedom and space. Ohio? And where? (Cleveland: sales, house)

[WRnative]

As you don't mind winters, you may very much mind living in a hotter, more humid climate in summers. San Diego has relatively comfortable summers compared to most locations east of the Mississippi River, even northern Ohio.

https://weatherspark.com/y/1816/Aver...tes-Year-Round

https://weatherspark.com/y/18171/Ave...tes-Year-Round

Another point of note is that the ocean temperatures off San Diego are relatively cool, although warmer than further north off the CA coast. The ocean temperature at Mission Beach currently is 71 degrees. Lake Erie already is at 77 degrees at Mentor Headlands Beach, just north of Kirtland.

https://www.surf-forecast.com/breaks...2072%20%C2%B0F.

https://www.surf-forecast.com/breaks...2075%20%C2%B0F.

[on3]

Originally Posted by FloonieMcFloonieNue

We are looking at different states right now, Ohio being one of them, and Tennessee being another. So more of a general statewide look right now rather than a city wide look.

We are looking to buy anywhere from the $100k-$400k range. We don’t rent out here because it actually made more sense to buy since our mortgage payment is actually less than it would be if we were renting.

I had no idea about the bedbug thing. Bedbugs definitely creep me out and I am Super paranoid about bugs in my house as far as the infesting kind like roaches and bedbugs. Thank you for that heads up!!

Also didn’t realize about the floodplain thing but that makes plenty of sense and I don’t want a flooded house or mildew in my house.

We have definitely considered Idaho and have looked there for jobs. Unfortunately there’s a fair amount of prejudice against people coming from California looking for jobs in Idaho believe it or not. If they find out you’re from California they won’t even look at your resume. They don’t like that housing prices have gone up since people from California have been bringing in more money in that regard. I do understand that mindset and I can’t say that I blame them completely. Unfortunately we just can’t seem to land a job there because of it. Funny enough we know seven families that have moved to Idaho that we have known here in San Diego for many years but they either had family there to live with for a little while or were transferred there as luck would have it for them.

I rented in ohio for years and bed bugs was never a concern. Maybe if the complex is some ****hole with drug dealers galore but I don’t subject myself to that.

[FrozenI69]

I think the Atlanta area would be a better fit than Ohio. The winter is rather warm and economy is significantly better.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by FrozenI69

I think the Atlanta area would be a better fit than Ohio. The winter is rather warm and economy is significantly better.

Real per capita income in Greater Cleveland is 10 percent higher than in Greater Atlanta.


https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RPIPC17460


https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RPIPC12060


If someone is willing to trade hot, oppressive summers for increasingly more mild Cleveland winters, than Atlanta is a fine choice from a weather standpoint.


Check out humidity comfort levels in summer here:


https://weatherspark.com/y/18154/Ave...tes-Year-Round


https://weatherspark.com/y/15598/Ave...tes-Year-Round

[FrozenI69]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Real per capita income in Greater Cleveland is 10 percent higher than in Greater Atlanta.


https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RPIPC17460


https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RPIPC12060


If someone is willing to trade hot, oppressive summers for increasingly more mild Cleveland winters, than Atlanta is a fine choice from a weather standpoint.


Check out humidity comfort levels in summer here:


https://weatherspark.com/y/18154/Ave...tes-Year-Round


https://weatherspark.com/y/15598/Ave...tes-Year-Round

Ohio has always been dependent on Automotive Manufacturing for a lot of jobs.
Being part of the industry, I’ve seen the damages that have occurred due to the pandemic. GM is going to report its Q2 results today, and it isn’t going to be pretty.
Atlanta may have lower income per capita, but there is a more diversified economy. Good news is, Cleveland is diversifying these days. I’m happy to have more people moving here from high priced places California and New England. But from personal experience a lot of them came and left due to the lack of a stable economy.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by FrozenI69

Ohio has always been dependent on Automotive Manufacturing for a lot of jobs.
Being part of the industry, I’ve seen the damages that have occurred due to the pandemic. GM is going to report its Q2 results today, and it isn’t going to be pretty.
Atlanta may have lower income per capita, but there is a more diversified economy. Good news is, Cleveland is diversifying these days. I’m happy to have more people moving here from high priced places California and New England. But from personal experience a lot of them came and left due to the lack of a stable economy.

Like your earlier post, this is all based on your anecdotal opinion. Currently, the two drivers in the northeast Ohio economy are healthcare and headquarters employment. Atlanta is going to take a big hit from cutbacks in air travel. My anecdotal observations, but they don't reflect the big picture any more than your observations.

So, real per capita personal income is my go-to statistic when measuring economies.

I also look at long-term trends, and Georgia and Atlanta will be losers to climate change. There will come a time when many of Atlanta's HQs will escape the heat.

[dodeca]

You should look in the suburban areas of Toledo as well, particularly Whitehouse. Land is still affordable there, close to a decent sized city, and only about 1 hour from the Detroit airport. Taxes aren't low but not terrible and services and roads are excellent. I guarantee you'll be disappointed with the Mexican food in the area, but otherwise, it's a nice peaceful and pretty conservative, but not Rebel-flag conservative.

[thinkalot]

Originally Posted by FloonieMcFloonieNue

My husband was born and raised in San Diego. He’s 41. He could tell you every back road anywhere in SD. It’s home. However the political climate here has really gone the way of lunacy. The taxes and regulations have driven out so many businesses and citizens. We can’t stand it any more and are looking for a much more conservative state with a low cost of living and space to live in. It’s so crowded here. The lowest rent you can find for a studio apartment in the most ghetto areas is over $1000. The electricity bills are so high it make me want to cry and our water bill is $95 before we even use any water because of fees. We have the highest taxes in the nation aside from NY. Literally every part of living here is expensive. And for what? Sunny weather? Meh! I am originally from upstate NY and I can handle weather.
We are a conservative family. We own fire arms responsibly, we like shooting off fireworks on July 4 and we go to church. We want land and horses and peace and quiet.
We also have a 12 year old son that we hope can have a good place to grow up and have good schools to attend.

Now that you know what we’re looking for,
Is Ohio a place we could be happy?
What cities would you recommend? (We like snow and aren’t afraid of it, like I said I’m from Upstate NY)

Salem. If I ever move back to Ohio it will be on my short list.

[sheena12]

Originally Posted by WRnative

If you want to live near Lake Erie (which has great fishing), and you enjoy horses, Kirtland in Lake County, very convenient to Cleveland, comes to mind. Check out zillow.com for houses for sale in Kirtland, Kirtland Hills, Willoughby Hills and perhaps Concord Township. All of nearby Geauga County (e.g., Chesterland and Chester Township) is a possibility. Western Geauga County is very rural, actually still with a good Amish presence, but not as convenient for Cleveland.

https://www.cleveland.com/outdoors/2...y-july-16.html

See post 5 here:

https://www.city-data.com/forum/clev...land-area.html

https://www.lec.edu/equestrian-center

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Greater Cleveland has great Metropark (county park) systems, something you won't find in Tennessee, according to a friend who considered it given the opportunity to establish an office anywhere in the eastern U.S. (he ended up near Columbia, MD). He and his wife also didn't like the quality of the public schools in the Nashville area.

Greater Cleveland Metroparks and Ohio's Dept. of Natural Resources stock many of the rivers in Greater Cleveland. E.g., steelhead trout is a favorite.

https://www.cleveland.com/sports/201...for-dec-6.html

See posts 7 and 9 in this thread for a discussion of Greater Cleveland Metropark systems. Many of the Metroparks have bridle trails, and a few, such as the Rocky River Reservation of the Cleveland Metroparks even offers stables. Rocky River would be a good place to look if you were willing to stable your horse.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/clev...cleveland.html

https://www.alltrails.com/us/ohio/horseback-riding

I believe that horseback riding has been given a priority over dirt biking in Greater Cleveland. I'm not even certain where dirt bike trails are located. Check out the Western Reserve (perhaps read about the Western Reserve) Motorcycle Club here; it's not located in Greater Cleveland:

https://www.trailsource.com/?type=DIRT&region=Ohio

I don't think your going to find an nice house in a good school district with lots of land for $400,000, let alone $100,000. Perhaps check out Lorain County, where rural land may be cheaper (and school districts not as good) and other lakeshore counties west of Cleveland, of which I don't have great familiarity. Lorain County does have a large Metropark system likely with bridal trails. I doubt if the schools are as good as in Lake County, however.

COVID-19 is ravaging Ohio public school budgets and I'm not certain what they'll look like, especially regarding special education needs, post-epidemic. This thread may be useful regarding special education needs.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/clev...ggestions.html

I don't know anyone who ever had bed bugs in their home.

Also, it's pretty easy to avoid flood plains in Greater Cleveland. Google prospective cities for floods and don't purchase land in river valleys; major rivers in northeast Ohio typically are in gorges. A few cities in Greater Cleveland have problematic storm sewer systems that result in flooding.

Believe it or not, flood insurance (very cheap outside of flood plains) is needed for storm sewer back-ups that cause flooding in a general area. Separate back-up insurance is needed to protect basements. Back-up preventers are a good idea.

Greater Cleveland can experience very large rainfalls.

Greater Cleveland winters are disappearing rapidly with the onslaught of climate change.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/clev...east-ohio.html

The great Ohio & Erie Canal Towpath Trail in Cuyahoga Valley National Park allows horses, and parts of the trail outside of CVNP likely also allow horses.

https://www.nps.gov/cuva/planyourvis...path-trail.htm

Check out the impact of climate change on Tennessee. E.g., tornado alley has moved east of the Mississippi River.

https://spectrumnews1.com/oh/columbu...0Ohio%20Valley.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/04/weath...day/index.html

https://www.tennessean.com/pages/int...nam-tennessee/

Good luck!

Howver, NE Ohio, does not bleed red. Trump Republicanism is here, but it isn't a dominant force. I think NE OH is a comfortable place for most people who do not want conflict and get along well with others. It's also racially diverse.

If the OP is looking for a purely conservative area, do you think NE OH is a really good match?

Ohio residents are fairly tolerant and keep personal things to themselves. They do not seek out conflict or relish arguments. Especially those in NE Ohio.

If the OP is looking for a very conservative area, with a nice city, I would suggest Cincinatti and the surrounding area.

Rural western OH, seems conservative and religious - Christian, of course. Also Central OH. Not Columbus.

Places that come to mind are Ada, Circleville, and Findlay. Maybe Tiffin and Northern OH west of Cleveland.

Cleveland, Akron-Canton, and the North East Coast are less "Bible Belt in feel".

[sheena12]

Originally Posted by FrozenI69

I think the Atlanta area would be a better fit than Ohio. The winter is rather warm and economy is significantly better.

Or most of South Carolina and parts of North.

If they want the Midwest, Indiana will deliver, more reliably than OH will.