Should Ohio become right to work state ? (Cleveland, Union: transplants, for sale)

[ram2]

Originally Posted by Natural510

I worked for Kroger, and if it wasn't for their union, everyone there would be making minimum wage, with minimal benefits, just like Wal-Mart employees.

Umm, my friend who worked at Kroger was making less than minimum wage, after accounting for union dues deductions. At least my friend had some motivation to get a higher paying job and never looked back.

[rrtechno]

Originally Posted by ram2

Umm, my friend who worked at Kroger was making less than minimum wage, after accounting for union dues deductions. At least my friend had some motivation to get a higher paying job and never looked back.

If you didn't subtract the union dues, was your friend still above minimum wage (net) after taxes and social security, etc. were deducted?

[Natural510]

Originally Posted by rrtechno

If you didn't subtract the union dues, was your friend still above minimum wage (net) after taxes and social security, etc. were deducted?

Of course he was...ram is being purposely vague. I made minimum wage for the 8 months I worked at Kroger, but not long after I left they got a new contract and workers who were hired after me started making $11/hr. That wouldn't happen without a union.

[ram2]

Originally Posted by Natural510

Of course he was...ram is being purposely vague. I made minimum wage for the 8 months I worked at Kroger, but not long after I left they got a new contract and workers who were hired after me started making $11/hr. That wouldn't happen without a union.

You could always take some of your own initiative and get a better paying job on your own. $11 an hour - WOW !

[Cleveland_Collector]

Well, ram, not everyone is going to be an astro-physicist. Some (probably many) people, in today's terms, will be part of the working family dynamic and making $20-30k/yr to supplement another's income.

Frankly, your insinuation of inferiority and apparent general contempt for N510's work situation is a bit off-putting. It's also exactly why so many aren't open to the idea of "right-to-work" legislation. The only respect lower-skilled or blue collar workers get is directly proportional to their numbers.

[ram2]

Originally Posted by Cleveland_Collector

Well, ram, not everyone is going to be an astro-physicist. Some (probably many) people, in today's terms, will be part of the working family dynamic and making $20-30k/yr to supplement another's income.

Frankly, your insinuation of inferiority and apparent general contempt for N510's work situation is a bit off-putting. It's also exactly why so many aren't open to the idea of "right-to-work" legislation.

Bill Gates did not graduate from college.

[Natural510]

Originally Posted by ram2

You could always take some of your own initiative and get a better paying job on your own. $11 an hour - WOW !

Nice dodge. I do have a better job now, thank you.

[Mojave82]

I wish you luck. Unions are the cause of many of this nations problems. Our workers make $34 an hour, with 2 weeks vacation and one week sick. Full medical and dental. Same job could be done at $15 an hour. These jobs are done when this contract ends.

When your job is outsourced or sent overseas you can thank organized labor.

[Cleveland_Collector]

Originally Posted by ram2

Bill Gates did not graduate from college.

Are you somehow suggesting that everyone working a blue collar job will be the next Bill Gates? Before you answer that, first count how many Bill Gates types there are in the world.

[Cleveland_Collector]

Originally Posted by Mojave82

I wish you luck. Unions are the cause of many of this nations problems. Our workers make $34 an hour, with 2 weeks vacation and one week sick. Full medical and dental. Same job could be done at $15 an hour. These jobs are done when this contract ends.

Unions don't cause problems, they negotiate wages and benefits.

And, your job can probably be 'done' for much less than than you make. Let's hope it takes a walk, too.

When your job is outsourced or sent overseas you can thank organized labor.

Even if your position was never part of a union? Seems to me that the people responsible for off-shoring are the ones shipping the work overseas, no?

But, no, I mean how can they be held responsible for taking advantage of slave labor in Asia? It's simply the right thing to do. We should all exploit people in precarious situations as much as we possibly can. If maximizing profit to the Nth degree means chaining 10 year old kids to machines for 80 hours per week and paying them $0.42/hr, then it's just simply what should be done.