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Old 08-06-2010, 05:00 AM
 
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Hello all, I am doing some research and have always found the state Oklahoma interesting with its beauty and history. But I am interested in the two major cities of Oklahoma: Oklahoma City and Tulsa. Of course, lol. As an African American from Texas (we have our friendly two major city rivals Dallas vs Houston, lol!!), how are both cities different? Their histories, stereotypes, cultures and etc...Please anybody who are from both cities or have lived in both cities feel free to elaborate. From what I gather, OKC seems more laid back, kind of industrial, spread out, entertainment orientated and comfortable like a small version of Houston, where Tulsa seem more of the "prettiest" of the two, pretentious, sophisticated or white collar like Dallas. But to me, both cities are cleaner than Texas cities in general, lol. Are the black communities from both cities are the same???? What are the differences in general culture, which offers more? To me, OKC seems more interesting to me where Tulsa I feel is still missing something I cant put my finger on.

Again feel free to give valid opinions.
Thanks.
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Old 08-06-2010, 08:08 AM
 
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Oklahoma City is larger and more oriented toward agriculture and sports.
Relatively flat, on the border between the greener areas of the east and the plains, more spread out, very laid back. Kind of like Fort Worth in a lot of ways. A big cowtown to some.

Tulsa, while not quite as large, has more going in terms of art and music.
More hills and trees, not as spread out, I don't know if "pretentious" is a good word, but something like that.

They are definitely different towns. I live in OKC but enjoy both places. I go to concerts in tulsa quite frequently. OKC gets more "big name" shows and more mainstream country acts as well, where Tulsa will get more of the Leon Russel, John Prine type shows. More underground type music.
If I had to compare them to two cities in texas, I'd say Tulsa is more Dallas where OKC is more Fort Worth. That's a generalization, of course, and there are differences, but close.

Hope that helps some.

EG
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Old 08-06-2010, 08:38 AM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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Hello all, I am doing some research and have always found the state Oklahoma interesting with its beauty and history. But I am interested in the two major cities of Oklahoma: Oklahoma City and Tulsa. Of course, lol. As an African American from Texas (we have our friendly two major city rivals Dallas vs Houston, lol!!), how are both cities different? Their histories, stereotypes, cultures and etc...Please anybody who are from both cities or have lived in both cities feel free to elaborate. From what I gather, OKC seems more laid back, kind of industrial, spread out, entertainment orientated and comfortable like a small version of Houston, where Tulsa seem more of the "prettiest" of the two, pretentious, sophisticated or white collar like Dallas. But to me, both cities are cleaner than Texas cities in general, lol. Are the black communities from both cities are the same???? What are the differences in general culture, which offers more? To me, OKC seems more interesting to me where Tulsa I feel is still missing something I cant put my finger on.

Again feel free to give valid opinions.
Thanks.
Both great towns...culturally there is very little difference (think of a mixture of Southern/Western influences....similar to most of Texas in that it is SOUTHwest in feel not SouthWEST (Arizona, New Mexico).

I do see the association of Dallas/Tulsa and OK City/Fort Worth....but keep in mind that OKC/Tulsa are much more pure "Okie" than Dallas/Fort Worth because of much less (thank ya Lord) transplants.
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Old 08-06-2010, 11:18 AM
 
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What about the black or minority communities, it seems Tulsa has a rich black historical community with the "Greenwood" district and larger community, than OKC?? What are the differences between the two cities far as black cultures?
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Old 08-06-2010, 01:04 PM
 
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What about the black or minority communities, it seems Tulsa has a rich black historical community with the "Greenwood" district and larger community, than OKC?? What are the differences between the two cities far as black cultures?
My uncle lived in Forth Worth a long time ago (maybe 30-35 years ago) but lived in Oklahoma City. He felt that Rosedale was similar to the "inner-city" black neighborhoods in OKC even though Rosedale actually started out as a white neighborhood prior to racial transition. I guess Oklahoma City had a once-vibrant black district called Deep Deuce that was pretty much destroyed (like many historical black communities) with the construction of Interstates in the 1960s. It is supposedly making a comeback because it is old, trendy and near downtown but like Tulsa, the OKC black population seems to have pretty much stagnated. I think in both OKC and Tulsa, the Hispanic and even Native American populations are growing much faster. Tulsa has always been one of the few Native American urban "hubs" in the country even though their population proportion is still smaller than that of blacks.

You know that there is a "Greenwood" district in Tulsa but don't know of its history? You do not know of its national significance? And you live in neighboring Texas? Amazing. Well here is a link if you are interested in Tulsa's black history and what was and what could have been. I would like to say enjoy...
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Old 08-06-2010, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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OKC was settled in the land run of 1889. Went from 0 to 10,000 in population in one day. Tulsa wasn't part of the land run but had been a Muscogee Creek village for a while.

When they discovered oil in Oklahoma, a lot of eastern oilmen settled in Tulsa. They picked Tulsa because it was across the river from the oil fields and they could live in a community that did not include the riff raff in the oil field towns across the river. These millionaire types tried to generate a community with culture similar to the cities that they arrived from back east.

OKC developed in a much more wild and wooley fashion due to the nature of the land run participants. Most people were in the land run because they had nothing where they came from. When the oil thing happened in OKC a similar thing happened as in Tulsa in that the money congregated north of the river and the oil boomtown south of the river.

Their early development has a lot to do with the mentality they possess now. Tulsa is ate up with OKC. Always talking down OKC. Trying to pretend like they are more sophisticated. OKC on the other hand doesn't seem to worry too much about Tulsa. OKC has the capital and more population. Rarely will you hear an OKCitian say anything bad about Tulsa. They just don't care all that much.

As for the black community, I can't speak for Tulsa but OKC's old black community in segregated days is all gone now. It was where the OU health sciences center is now and towards the river. The black population migrated into what were some pretty nice white neighborhoods to the north. Although Oklahoma has some very bad racial history in the past, integration came without a lot of incidents in the 50's and 60's although there were some rough spots when they started forced busing.
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Old 08-06-2010, 09:15 PM
 
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OKC was settled in the land run of 1889. Went from 0 to 10,000 in population in one day. Tulsa wasn't part of the land run but had been a Muscogee Creek village for a while.

When they discovered oil in Oklahoma, a lot of eastern oilmen settled in Tulsa. They picked Tulsa because it was across the river from the oil fields and they could live in a community that did not include the riff raff in the oil field towns across the river. These millionaire types tried to generate a community with culture similar to the cities that they arrived from back east.

OKC developed in a much more wild and wooley fashion due to the nature of the land run participants. Most people were in the land run because they had nothing where they came from. When the oil thing happened in OKC a similar thing happened as in Tulsa in that the money congregated north of the river and the oil boomtown south of the river.

Their early development has a lot to do with the mentality they possess now. Tulsa is ate up with OKC. Always talking down OKC. Trying to pretend like they are more sophisticated. OKC on the other hand doesn't seem to worry too much about Tulsa. OKC has the capital and more population. Rarely will you hear an OKCitian say anything bad about Tulsa. They just don't care all that much.

As for the black community, I can't speak for Tulsa but OKC's old black community in segregated days is all gone now. It was where the OU health sciences center is now and towards the river. The black population migrated into what were some pretty nice white neighborhoods to the north. Although Oklahoma has some very bad racial history in the past, integration came without a lot of incidents in the 50's and 60's although there were some rough spots when they started forced busing.
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Rarely will you hear an OKCitian say anything bad about Tulsa. They just don't care all that much.
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That is a true statement.

Also, the African American communities in OK City are primarily in the northeastern quadrant of the city....up off of Britton Rd./122nd. As an Anglo/Native American I lived in that area for a little while and felt totally comfortable there. (Although the gang activity can make it a little sketchy....but nothing too much to worry about.)
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Old 08-07-2010, 06:26 AM
 
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Wow, thank you all for the reply's, this really helping me. Is the OKC's black community or culture period more "urban" riff raff compared to Tulsa. I hear Tulsa is more eastern, "suburban" and quiet and OKC is more "urban", haphazard and cow-town?
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Old 08-08-2010, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Hello all, I am doing some research and have always found the state Oklahoma interesting with its beauty and history. But I am interested in the two major cities of Oklahoma: Oklahoma City and Tulsa. Of course, lol. As an African American from Texas (we have our friendly two major city rivals Dallas vs Houston, lol!!), how are both cities different? Their histories, stereotypes, cultures and etc...Please anybody who are from both cities or have lived in both cities feel free to elaborate. From what I gather, OKC seems more laid back, kind of industrial, spread out, entertainment orientated and comfortable like a small version of Houston, where Tulsa seem more of the "prettiest" of the two, pretentious, sophisticated or white collar like Dallas. But to me, both cities are cleaner than Texas cities in general, lol. Are the black communities from both cities are the same???? What are the differences in general culture, which offers more? To me, OKC seems more interesting to me where Tulsa I feel is still missing something I cant put my finger on.

Again feel free to give valid opinions.
Thanks.
(stereotypes and culture)

OKC and Tulsa use to be "Sanctuary Cities", ( as are Dallas and Houston) for illegal Aliens. Since 2007, HB 1804 has forced them to give up their sanctions. I beleive that Tulsa is still fighting to keep or regain their Sanctuary policy.

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Old 08-09-2010, 05:38 AM
 
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Thumbs up Interesting thread. 

.. and informative, enjoyed reading the comments.
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