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Old 12-24-2013, 07:17 PM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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Most places I have been think Oklahoma is part of the midwest. They think Dust Bowl, tornados, flat, dull, wheat, and the wind comes sweeping down the plains, Grapes of Wrath.
That's somewhat along the lines of what I'm saying, your description of what others think of Oklahoma as the Dust Bowl/Grapes of Wrath imagery is just not the "Midwest." Have such designations ever been applied to tried/true Midwestern states such as Meechigan or Whiskey or Minnesota or Ohio/Indiana, for example? The Grapes of Wrath aversion is derived from Okies/Arkies/Texans and other Southerners and then to a much lesser degree Missourians/Kansans.

That's my point, if Oklahoma is the "Midwest" then it is a different Midwest than the actual Midwest. (Which basically means Oklahoma is not the Midwest at all.)
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Old 12-24-2013, 07:22 PM
 
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Who in the hell thinks Louisiana or Mississippi are in the Midwest??? I hope they weren't trying to sell you a bridge! I must say in my entire life never heard anyone thinking Louisiana and Mississippi were in the midwest. You must have hung out with some pretty dim bulbs out there in the "Golden State".
Actually, a reporter from northern California on a major news channel called Mississippi the Midwest. I'm guessing, again, it's that whole Middle America mentality from West Coasters. Middle America is viewed as something out there in the middle of nowhere, which includes Midwest states (for instance, the Dakotas, Kansas, Nebraska, possibly Missouri) as well as Southern states (such as, in this case, Oklahoma/Arkansas/Texas.....and even Mississippi!)
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Old 12-24-2013, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK
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Actually, a reporter from northern California on a major news channel called Mississippi the Midwest. I'm guessing, again, it's that whole Middle America mentality from West Coasters. Middle America is viewed as something out there in the middle of nowhere, which includes Midwest states (for instance, the Dakotas, Kansas, Nebraska, possibly Missouri) as well as Southern states (such as, in this case, Oklahoma/Arkansas/Texas.....and even Mississippi!)
The Tulsa news stations usually refer to Oklahoma as the midwest. I aways think of you when I hear one of them say that!
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:15 PM
 
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The Tulsa news stations usually refer to Oklahoma as the midwest. I aways think of you when I hear one of them say that!
Interesting.

I've got family in Tulsa and visit them regularly and I usually take in some local news while I'm there. I've never heard any of the local anchormen/women/weather folks call Tulsa or Oklahoma the Midwest; they usually just refer to Oklahoma and rarely speak in regional terms.

I do remember one exception. I think it was the really bad winter/ice storm of 2007? or 2008? I can't remember precisely, but while stuck in Tulsa from that ice storm I do remember a national weather-caster lumping Oklahoma in the Midwest along with the severe weather in Arkansas and north into Missouri. (Is Arkansas the Midwest? = I would say no, of course, but I guess not everyone is on the same page on this stuff.) That's the one exception I can think of and it wasn't a local person.

*PS....you need to be thinking of someone more exciting like GoodPasture or RedBird! I'm just plain ol' Redneck Okie.
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Old 12-25-2013, 01:24 AM
 
Location: NorCal by way of L.A. and Atlanta
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Go to southeastern Oklahoma and tell them they are anything but southern. You may not make it out.
The southeastern part of Oklahoma is the part that borders Arkansas and Northeast Texas yes I already know thats culturally the south.

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Old 12-25-2013, 04:22 AM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK
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Interesting.

I've got family in Tulsa and visit them regularly and I usually take in some local news while I'm there. I've never heard any of the local anchormen/women/weather folks call Tulsa or Oklahoma the Midwest; they usually just refer to Oklahoma and rarely speak in regional terms.

I do remember one exception. I think it was the really bad winter/ice storm of 2007? or 2008? I can't remember precisely, but while stuck in Tulsa from that ice storm I do remember a national weather-caster lumping Oklahoma in the Midwest along with the severe weather in Arkansas and north into Missouri. (Is Arkansas the Midwest? = I would say no, of course, but I guess not everyone is on the same page on this stuff.) That's the one exception I can think of and it wasn't a local person.

*PS....you need to be thinking of someone more exciting like GoodPasture or RedBird! I'm just plain ol' Redneck Okie.
OSU's Uniforms To Be 'Oregon of the Midwest'? - KTUL.com - Tulsa, Oklahoma - News, Weather & Sports

I know it's just one example, but I hear us being identified as the midwest a lot.
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Old 12-25-2013, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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OSU's Uniforms To Be 'Oregon of the Midwest'? - KTUL.com - Tulsa, Oklahoma - News, Weather & Sports

I know it's just one example, but I hear us being identified as the midwest a lot.

I suppose if you include the northern plains states as "midwest" (which I don't) then you could make a case that north of I-40 and I-44 in the eastern half of the state could be midwestern.

I would also disagree with Johnny Special in his characterization of SE Oklahoma as being like Mississippi in that the only place in SE Oklahoma that is even close to being like Mississippi is Idabel and it's really not that close.
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Old 12-25-2013, 10:59 AM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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OSU's Uniforms To Be 'Oregon of the Midwest'? - KTUL.com - Tulsa, Oklahoma - News, Weather & Sports

I know it's just one example, but I hear us being identified as the midwest a lot.
Yeh, just like "Southern Agriculture" is in Broken Arrow. I drove by it a few weeks ago. I think such examples are somewhat contrived and not the best way to get to the heart of the issue.

Self-identification and dialect maps, along with history and overall culture, are generally the best indicators.....all of which seem to point to the vast majority of Okies thinking (at least when pressed on designating from the Big 4 Regions = North/South/Midwest/West) they are Southern, or at the very least, a derivative of the South (probably closer to how I think about it).

I hear you though. It just doesn't fit with my experience or gel with the family and many friends that I have in the Tulsa area. I've never heard any of them call Tulsa or the area or Oklahoma for that matter the Midwest. They live there everyday and have for many years.

I'll stand by what I've said from the beginning as it fits the general consensus of Okies better:
Oklahoma = part of the South, at least an extension of it. The Southwest? = yes, at least an extension of it. Ergo, SouthXSouthwest. Midwest? = nope.
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Old 12-25-2013, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Jenks, Ok
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Interesting.

I've got family in Tulsa and visit them regularly and I usually take in some local news while I'm there. I've never heard any of the local anchormen/women/weather folks call Tulsa or Oklahoma the Midwest; they usually just refer to Oklahoma and rarely speak in regional terms.

I do remember one exception. I think it was the really bad winter/ice storm of 2007? or 2008? I can't remember precisely, but while stuck in Tulsa from that ice storm I do remember a national weather-caster lumping Oklahoma in the Midwest along with the severe weather in Arkansas and north into Missouri. (Is Arkansas the Midwest? = I would say no, of course, but I guess not everyone is on the same page on this stuff.) That's the one exception I can think of and it wasn't a local person.

*PS....you need to be thinking of someone more exciting like GoodPasture or RedBird! I'm just plain ol' Redneck Okie.
They always say midwest.
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Old 12-25-2013, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK
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They always say midwest.
I hear midwest up here more often than I southern. There may some business with Southern in their names but there are a ton of the with Midwest also.
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