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Old 04-26-2015, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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It's been especially crazy risk taking to drill or frack for oil around Cushing, due to the huge oil tank farm there and the fact there is a fault line just to the southwest of there. And so what happened? Earthquakes of 4.0 or slightly more happened there last year. At least one of the oil companies penetrated the basement level. That's against regulations. So Oklahoma Corporation Commission had to tell them to stop. So I wonder how strong of an earthquake can those oil tanks withstand before collapsing? What a mess that would be. Earth scientists have estimated the Big One to come may be as much as 6.5 to 7.0 in magnitude. I just don't understand all this flirting with risk taking, unless it due to greed on the part of the oil companies and apathy on the part of the people. I'll admit I've been so apathetic toward the seriousness of the situation that I still haven't strapped my hot water tank to the wall.

By the way, I sure hope the billions of dollars of property owned by the state of Oklahoma is well insured against earthquakes. Also the Oklahoma rep for Cushing, Lee Denney voted in favor of the bill that prevents cities from banning fracking. The rep and senator who represent Stillwater voted against it.
Mess up the space under you, even small quakes are stronger. Out in California, I was living upstairs in an apartment. Right behind us, where a LOT of water soaked in under the building, a main water line burst early on Saturday and was allowed to rush out water until Monday. We could see how a bunch of it was going right into the foundation. I felt very glad to live on the top floor. We're talking man made sinkhole. And a few weeks before I moved, the line apparently having sprung other leaks so it was still making more mud, we had about a 4.0 quake. I was in bed, and the dog and cat jumped in with me and hid. It was one of those with the brief scary roar, which warns you. Then silence. Then lots of hard shaking.

My neighbor below who is handicaped said she figured if it was a big one she was a gonner.

This quake felt far stronger, but then we were sitting on man made jello. They never tried to pump out the water and should have called someone in before it got there. We had discussed if the manager was negligent over the failure to call a plummer to shut off water. If something bad *had* happened, I'm thinking it would have been brought up.

So if a company goes into the wrong layer with their pipe, as someone in Cushing has, and has induced swarms of quakes, why should they NOT be held responsible? Right off main street is an area they are fracking. The ground shakes when they're working. Who gets to answer for mistakes or do ordinary people not matter.

And a company is sending out legal letters for drilling through a section of town. If you wish to oppose it you have to hire a lawyer and go to OKC to testify. So I doubt anyone will be able to. This is not a high income area.

I don't care HOW important the oil and gas companies are to the economy, the safety and rights of locals so absolutely matter and should matter more. Does something bad have to happen before the blindsided politicans get it?

I'd really like to see some research or records on that oil patch to see how worried we should be.
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Old 04-27-2015, 05:09 PM
 
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All forms of energy have always had negative aspects. Cavemen huddled around the campfire got smoke in their eyes and ashes in their brontosaurus burgers.
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Old 04-30-2015, 01:26 PM
 
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Mess up the space under you, even small quakes are stronger. Out in California, I was living upstairs in an apartment. Right behind us, where a LOT of water soaked in under the building, a main water line burst early on Saturday and was allowed to rush out water until Monday. We could see how a bunch of it was going right into the foundation. I felt very glad to live on the top floor. We're talking man made sinkhole. And a few weeks before I moved, the line apparently having sprung other leaks so it was still making more mud, we had about a 4.0 quake. I was in bed, and the dog and cat jumped in with me and hid. It was one of those with the brief scary roar, which warns you. Then silence. Then lots of hard shaking.

My neighbor below who is handicaped said she figured if it was a big one she was a gonner.

This quake felt far stronger, but then we were sitting on man made jello. They never tried to pump out the water and should have called someone in before it got there. We had discussed if the manager was negligent over the failure to call a plummer to shut off water. If something bad *had* happened, I'm thinking it would have been brought up.

So if a company goes into the wrong layer with their pipe, as someone in Cushing has, and has induced swarms of quakes, why should they NOT be held responsible? Right off main street is an area they are fracking. The ground shakes when they're working. Who gets to answer for mistakes or do ordinary people not matter.

And a company is sending out legal letters for drilling through a section of town. If you wish to oppose it you have to hire a lawyer and go to OKC to testify. So I doubt anyone will be able to. This is not a high income area.

I don't care HOW important the oil and gas companies are to the economy, the safety and rights of locals so absolutely matter and should matter more. Does something bad have to happen before the blindsided politicans get it?

I'd really like to see some research or records on that oil patch to see how worried we should be.
I agree and something can be done if enough people want to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRI3LFdzlx4
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Old 05-03-2015, 12:06 AM
 
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But an OSU geologist says it's not known where all this waste water goes after it's injected back into the ground.

Probably goes back to where it came from - the ground from which it came.
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