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Old 01-13-2016, 09:12 AM
 
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Another thing that skews small town crime stats is being off on pop count. Small pop stats can be thrown off with small discrepancies in population. Say a higher ed center is located in the town, or it has some other large source of temporary population increase that doesn't get counted in the official stat.

Durant and Ardmore both swell in population greater than the official listed population because they have people driving in to go to school or work. The failure to account for these temporary people can greatly skew the stats of smaller sized towns.

Yet another way is that larger cities have more sophisticated police forces that have creative ways of filing and categorizing crimes so they can "massage" their crime stat numbers.

Just look at the map a bit and you will see how ridiculous it is. For example the counties that hold Durant and Ardmore show 50-100 on the violent crime index. Sounds not so good. Meanwhile Denton, Collin, Tarrant and Dallas counties (making up most of DFW metro) all show <10 on violent crime index. Its retarded to assume that your going to be safer anywhere in Dallas county over some random place in Carter or Bryant Counties. Nobody placed in those spots would believe that for a sec.

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Old 01-13-2016, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Why Durant?
Because it's not some dumpy Oklahoma town that has been going downhill while being close to a big casino and Lake Texoma.
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Old 01-13-2016, 05:31 PM
 
Location: plano
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Another thing that skews small town crime stats is being off on pop count. Small pop stats can be thrown off with small discrepancies in population. Say a higher ed center is located in the town, or it has some other large source of temporary population increase that doesn't get counted in the official stat.

Durant and Ardmore both swell in population greater than the official listed population because they have people driving in to go to school or work. The failure to account for these temporary people can greatly skew the stats of smaller sized towns.

Yet another way is that larger cities have more sophisticated police forces that have creative ways of filing and categorizing crimes so they can "massage" their crime stat numbers.

Just look at the map a bit and you will see how ridiculous it is. For example the counties that hold Durant and Ardmore show 50-100 on the violent crime index. Sounds not so good. Meanwhile Denton, Collin, Tarrant and Dallas counties (making up most of DFW metro) all show <10 on violent crime index. Its retarded to assume that your going to be safer anywhere in Dallas county over some random place in Carter or Bryant Counties. Nobody placed in those spots would believe that for a sec.
Insightful points. So the college students may or may not have been counted correctly in population. Same is true for Casino customers. The number of hotel rooms in Durant is way up from a decade ago due to Casino customers. Another factor in jobs from Casino and Cardinal Glass is the job adds due to new business or growth in Durant far exceeds the resident labor force not already employed, so Texans drive in daily to work the casino which is on the Texas side of town.
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Old 01-13-2016, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Durant is very dangerous. There are Lions everywhere.
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Old 01-14-2016, 07:14 AM
 
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Because it's not some dumpy Oklahoma town that has been going downhill while being close to a big casino and Lake Texoma.
Oh, I should check it out as a place to visit someday.
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Old 01-14-2016, 10:45 AM
 
Location: North Dallas
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Another thing that skews small town crime stats is being off on pop count. Small pop stats can be thrown off with small discrepancies in population. Say a higher ed center is located in the town, or it has some other large source of temporary population increase that doesn't get counted in the official stat.

Durant and Ardmore both swell in population greater than the official listed population because they have people driving in to go to school or work. The failure to account for these temporary people can greatly skew the stats of smaller sized towns.

Yet another way is that larger cities have more sophisticated police forces that have creative ways of filing and categorizing crimes so they can "massage" their crime stat numbers.

Just look at the map a bit and you will see how ridiculous it is. For example the counties that hold Durant and Ardmore show 50-100 on the violent crime index. Sounds not so good. Meanwhile Denton, Collin, Tarrant and Dallas counties (making up most of DFW metro) all show <10 on violent crime index. Its retarded to assume that your going to be safer anywhere in Dallas county over some random place in Carter or Bryant Counties. Nobody placed in those spots would believe that for a sec.
Exaggerate much? I’ll buy your first two paragraphs but the rest is silly assumptions.

Most big cities follow FBI guidelines on crime reporting. While they may massage the numbers they almost always get called out for it as Dallas did 8 or 9 years ago. Since that time Dallas has been very careful lest they get bad press from being called out again.

Your last paragraph is simply false. Of course there are areas in Dallas County that have a lower crime rate than any populated place in Bryan or Carter Counties. Have you ever been here? Try Preston Hollow or the Park Cities. There would also be areas that would have more crime than those 2 counties combined.

As for DFW, I would guess that most of Collin County has lower crime also. Crime isn’t just about population.

On a side note, I have been to Durant and quite liked it but I would pass on Ardmore.
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Old 01-17-2016, 01:48 AM
 
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Exaggerate much? I’ll buy your first two paragraphs but the rest is silly assumptions.

Most big cities follow FBI guidelines on crime reporting. While they may massage the numbers they almost always get called out for it as Dallas did 8 or 9 years ago. Since that time Dallas has been very careful lest they get bad press from being called out again.

Your last paragraph is simply false. Of course there are areas in Dallas County that have a lower crime rate than any populated place in Bryan or Carter Counties. Have you ever been here? Try Preston Hollow or the Park Cities. There would also be areas that would have more crime than those 2 counties combined.

As for DFW, I would guess that most of Collin County has lower crime also. Crime isn’t just about population.

On a side note, I have been to Durant and quite liked it but I would pass on Ardmore.
Whatever you think but a basic search will reveal hundreds of stories of cities busted for reporting bad numbers. There are lots of ways they can do it. You are a fool if you think they have stopped. They just find ways to do it that they can get away with. Is that an assumption...yes. Its also an assumption that has a high probability of being right. Kind of like lots Congressman are guilty of insider trading.

I probably wasn't clear now that I read my last paragraph. What I meant but didn't accurately state was a random place in Dallas county over a random place in Carter county. I was talking that if you had a choice over being placed in some random street in Dallas county or Carter county you would obviously choose Carter.

I agree that crime stats aren't just about population. Thats kind of my whole point. They make it about population though which makes it very inaccurate imo. Just look at the map. It leads to ridiculous conclusions. Like the fact that the map shows that Carter and Bryant counties are 10 times as crime ridden as Dallas, Tarrant, Denton or Collin counties. Thats just dumb.
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Old 01-20-2016, 09:35 AM
 
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Where would you least want to get stranded with car trouble? ANYWHERE in the entire south or west side of Dallas, or Durant? Obviously, Dallas is riskier. Durant, your chances of having crime trouble in those 2 hours are next to zero. South Dallas, there is some measurable chance you will have trouble.

The stats are telling you something that your better judgement will tell you is not rational.
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Old 01-22-2016, 01:51 AM
 
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Where would you least want to get stranded with car trouble? ANYWHERE in the entire south or west side of Dallas, or Durant? Obviously, Dallas is riskier. Durant, your chances of having crime trouble in those 2 hours are next to zero. South Dallas, there is some measurable chance you will have trouble.

The stats are telling you something that your better judgement will tell you is not rational.
Thats what I am talking about..

You could get stranded anywhere in Durant or Ardmore and most likely nothing would happen. There are lots of places that you could not say the same in the DFW metro.
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Old 01-27-2016, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Jenks, Ok
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I've never been to Durant before, but I'm going for a lacrosse tournament this weekend with my son. Hopefully I make it out alive.
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