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Old 09-13-2016, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Deep Dirty South
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Well, our latest Oklahoma Experiment is due to end soon I believe.

I haven't been on this part of the forum much of late, but anyone who's seen me post much knows my family and I have something of a love/hate relationship with this state.

I have spent more of my life in Oklahoma than anywhere else, but I have traveled a great deal and just in the 20 years my wife and I have been married, we've lived in a half dozen states. At least my kids are adaptable!

Many years ago I did a lot of bad-mouthing of Oklahoma. As I've gotten older and seen and experienced more, I've come to realize that there is a good deal to recommend about Oklahoma (if you leave out our legislators at least!)

Over the years I have frequently said "I'm leaving this state and I don't plan to ever live here again!"

But I end up back, for one reason or another.

Last time, we were out of state from 2005 to 2013, then moved back again. it hasn't been bad. I do like a lot of things about Oklahoma.

The main reason we are moving (again) is that we have come to realize--as individuals, as a couple and as a family (though my children are nearly grown and one is already out of the nest for the most part)--we are just nomads. Possessed of restless, wandering spirits.

it's taken some time to come to full awareness of this. I spent my entire life (nearly 50 years) moving every 2 or 3 years. My father, too, was apparently a roaming gypsy. My wife grew up for the most part in Norman, but once she and I threw our lots in with each other, we haven't really stopped rambling for long. And it works for us.

Sure, we don't have a lot to show for it, aside from having lived in so many parts of the country. It would have served us better financially (or I reckon it may well have, anyway) if we had stayed put, put down roots, if I'd remained at the same job for the long haul.

But I know I am just not built that way. We used to talk and dream of owning our own home, possibly some land. Of truly settling down. Well, earlier this year, while looking at house listings and revisiting the dream of home-ownership, we suddenly looked at each other and simultaneously thought: "Why?"

We've always been happiest when we've been on the move. Traveling, or moving to a new place. Yes, the novelty and excitement of a new place wears off after a time, but we seriously thought about it and concluded that we are just not the kind of people who do well when we feel "trapped" or "stuck."

I may never have equity or the major investment (for better or worse) that owning property brings with it, but I'm also not chained to paying a bank for 30 years for the privilege of them basically leasing a house to us until the mortgage is paid off. And I can pick up and move pretty much whenever I want.

We've spent the past few months paring down our belongings. it's been nice to divest ourselves of "stuff." It's amazing what you find you can really live without. We lost 98% of everything we owned in a flood in late 2010, and none of us are very materialistic anyway. I'd rather live and experience as much as possible as opposed to owning things. And having to have a place to house them. We have decided to be as mobile as possible.

In all likelihood, we will be moving out of Oklahoma before the end of the year. I still have many friends and family members here, so we will be back. But I think this is going to be permanent.

Since we will, it seems, be lifelong renters, there's little point in getting bogged down with a lot of belongings. Henceforth, we shall travel light. We'll be able to "bug out" quickly.

Ideally, and we've discussed this at length, we might be in a position at some point to get a sturdy truck and a nice 30' camper trailer or something. We might still do some apartment or small home renting and living, but if we had a set up like that, we would always have a roof over our heads. and I think this will be do-able for us a little ways down the road. Until then (and even THEN, depending on our situation) I will find new work, new living circumstances as inexpensively as possible, and just stay in a place as long as we like it, then move on.

But I doubt we'll ever be Oklahoma residents again. We are 180 degrees apart from the prevailing political and religious climate of most Oklahomans, but that's not a big deal to us. We are essentially apolitical and irreligious and I am great friends with many people who don't in any way share my views on politics and spirituality. I don't have to see eye to eye with a person to love them and have mutual benefit from knowing them. There's great value in interacting with and learning from people who AREN'T like you, in fact. Or so I feel.

Really, I think my biggest issue with Oklahoma is its landlocked nature.

In the past several years, we lived first on the East Coast, then the West Coast, of the US. I miss the ocean terribly. So our plan is to get ourselves back near the Big Water. And we do have a pretty solid plan.

I have enjoyed speaking with the folks here on the OK Forum and expect I'll still drop in here from time to time in the future, to ask questions, make comments and lurk. There are certainly things I will miss and people I will miss. But as I've said so often in my life: it's time to move on. Light out for the territories...
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Old 09-13-2016, 05:23 PM
 
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We will certainly miss you, but I can understand where you are coming from as a fellow nomad. I was the kind of person that could pick up and leave at a moment's notice. I could put all my possessions in my car. And still can. I can't tell you how many times I left a job on Friday and started a new one on Monday in a different state.

We found a decent place in Denver area for a decent price and almost went for it. I am glad we didn't, I would have ended up with a house payment of $$$$ proportions. Here we are all bought and paid for, which makes a HUGE difference in retirement.

We will be spending the night in Norman (Riverwind Casino) at the end of the month, maybe we can holler at you and break bread together.
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Old 09-14-2016, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Deep Dirty South
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We will certainly miss you, but I can understand where you are coming from as a fellow nomad. I was the kind of person that could pick up and leave at a moment's notice. I could put all my possessions in my car. And still can. I can't tell you how many times I left a job on Friday and started a new one on Monday in a different state.

We found a decent place in Denver area for a decent price and almost went for it. I am glad we didn't, I would have ended up with a house payment of $$$$ proportions. Here we are all bought and paid for, which makes a HUGE difference in retirement.

We will be spending the night in Norman (Riverwind Casino) at the end of the month, maybe we can holler at you and break bread together.
That might work! Keep in touch about it,. My wife enjoys playing the slots occasionally and we are in Norman with some frequency. We just have a lot going on this month, but maybe...

Yes, Colorado's COL has gotten insane since legalization. it already had some of the most expensive real estate in the nation in some parts of the state (Aspen for one), but one of my wife's best friends lives in the Denver metro and my stepson is sorta kinda trying to relocate to either Colo Springs or Aurora. He said he needed way more $$$ to get in and take up residency.

It's not as easy to be mobile and jump aaround states as it used to be (nothing is as easy as it used to be...some of that is due to my age and some to just the way the world has gotten.)

I used to be able to easily fit everything I owned into a decent sized car and take off. Miss that, but once you have a family, so many things fall into your orbit. With my kids older it's been easier to get rid of stuff.

Even into my early 20s, during and after college, I could not only fit everything I owned into an old Buick, I could do it in one load! I had a jambox, a little briefcase full of cassettes, a backback full of books and some toiletries (razor, deodorant, toothbrush, etc.) an old army duffel bag full of clothes, and an acoustic guitar.

I could grab everything with both hands, under my arms and over my shoulders and boom--gone with the wind.
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Old 09-14-2016, 10:51 AM
 
Location: The State Of California
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Godspeed on your move , and please try to do as me by trying to see all 50 states of these United States of America.

I will buy unimproved land in Oklahoma and Arizona and put in Sanitation Dumps and
rotate this baby between the two places , Lord willing.


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Old 09-14-2016, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Deep Dirty South
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Godspeed on your move , and please try to do as me by trying to see all 50 states of these United States of America.

I will buy unimproved land in Oklahoma and Arizona and put in Sanitation Dumps and
rotate this baby between the two places , Lord willing.
Super nice RV! I love AZ too--used to live there (Cottonwood) and still miss it.

I have been to 44 of the lower 48 US states. never been to Alaska or Hawaii, though my wife has been to both multiple times.

The state we plan to move to is one I have never set foot in, and we'll be passing through two others I've never been to along the way, so Maine will wind up being the only one of the 48 contiguous states I will not have been to. maybe I can rectify that before I die.
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Old 09-14-2016, 02:31 PM
 
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Best of luck in your move.I hope everything goes well.
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Old 09-14-2016, 03:32 PM
 
Location: The State Of California
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Default I Haven't Been To The Upper Reaches Of New England/Been To R.I. & Mass

Originally Posted by Howest2008 View Post
Godspeed on your move , and please try to do as me by trying to see all 50 states of these United States of America.

I will buy unimproved land in Oklahoma and Arizona and put in Sanitation Dumps and
rotate this baby between the two places , Lord willing.

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Griffis;[/b]45483233]Super nice RV! I love AZ too--used to live there (Cottonwood) and still miss it.

I have been to 44 of the lower 48 US states. never been to Alaska or Hawaii, though my wife has been to both multiple times.

The state we plan to move to is one I have never set foot in, and we'll be passing through two others I've never been to along the way, so Maine will wind up being the only one of the 48 contiguous states I will not have been to. maybe I can rectify that before I die.
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wow factor of THE NORTHERN LIGHTS see that before you kick the bucket , Alaskan
Weather was lousy being the only negative.

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Old 09-14-2016, 05:26 PM
 
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Yes, Colorado's COL has gotten insane since legalization. it already had some of the most expensive real estate in the nation in some parts of the state (Aspen for one), but one of my wife's best friends lives in the Denver metro and my stepson is sorta kinda trying to relocate to either Colo Springs or Aurora. He said he needed way more $$$ to get in and take up residency.

I could grab everything with both hands, under my arms and over my shoulders and boom--gone with the wind.
We found a house in Aurora for $135K. The area is touch and go. We have friends in Aurora. I would move to Denver area in a heartbeat, but I am not wanting to take 3 steps back and put myself into major debt. I want to be OUT OF DEBT when I retire for good. And we are almost there. Out of debt, I mean.


I remember one time I moved with everything I owned loaded into my Honda Accord, except a toaster. I honestly could not find space in my car for one toaster. LOL. True story.

I want my toaster!
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Old 09-14-2016, 08:47 PM
 
Location: The State Of California
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We found a house in Aurora for $135K. The area is touch and go. We have friends in Aurora. I would move to Denver area in a heartbeat, but I am not wanting to take 3 steps back and put myself into major debt. I want to be OUT OF DEBT when I retire for good. And we are almost there. Out of debt, I mean.


I remember one time I moved with everything I owned loaded into my Honda Accord, except a toaster. I honestly could not find space in my car for one toaster. LOL. True story.

I want my toaster!
Sometimes you just have to take your iron , and iron a couple of pieces of bread to make yourself some toast.........LOL......I'm cracking myself up....LOL
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Old 09-15-2016, 09:07 AM
 
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The state we plan to move to is one I have never set foot in, and we'll be passing through two others I've never been to along the way, so Maine will wind up being the only one of the 48 contiguous states I will not have been to. maybe I can rectify that before I die.
Howest, you were on a roll last night.

Griffis, moving is such a pain when you get older. We would need an 18 wheeler with a 45 foot trailer to take all the crap we have with us. We have all of Felix's mother's stuff in the garage. Really old bedroom stuff that he cannot part with because of the memories.

I want to move closer to Shawnee, but we have an ideal place here.
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