[tgbwc]

Originally Posted by Threestep

OK Dept. of Education, you should also be able to pull numbers by name.

This chart is directly from the Dept of Ed's page. I'm seeing a minimum salary of $31,600. You wrote $46k.

http://sde.ok.gov/sde/sites/ok.gov.s...Schedule_0.pdf

[teakboat]

Half of the teachers in my sons high school are way left radical nut jobs who we would be better off firing anyway. One teacher insisted that we don't know that Hamlet was a male, and had the part played by a girl in class.

[Threestep2]

Originally Posted by tgbwc

This chart is directly from the Dept of Ed's page. I'm seeing a minimum salary of $31,600. You wrote $46k.

http://sde.ok.gov/sde/sites/ok.gov.s...Schedule_0.pdf

Certified Staff Salary Information | Oklahoma State Department of Education
Pull up individual pay plus fringe plus rejected 6100 increase.

[Ro2113]

Originally Posted by teakboat

Half of the teachers in my sons high school are way left radical nut jobs who we would be better off firing anyway. One teacher insisted that we don't know that Hamlet was a male, and had the part played by a girl in class.

But you won't home school him?

[teakboat]

Originally Posted by Ro2113

But you won't home school him?

Have sure thought about it. There is something to be said for learning to adapt and survive in this new, weird liberal world among people like that. My boys know foolish nonsense when they see it and are not being influenced, quite the opposite.

[Threestep2]

9 hours a week for extra activities - https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ok...cid=spartanntp

The gentleman who handles that bit of grass we have spoke with me the other day. He has a new customer who is on fixed income, a retired school teacher in Canadian County on 60k. He gave the retired school teacher a break on his anyway reasonable charge. Turned out to be on of the big real estate developers:>)

[SluggoF16]

Originally Posted by Threestep

Certified Staff Salary Information | Oklahoma State Department of Education
Pull up individual pay plus fringe plus rejected 6100 increase.

Interesting link. My sister-in-law teaches in the Moore SD and there she is, on a spreadsheet. It's what she said she gets paid, less than $40K annually. My wife is a state employee, too, what's not being said is the value of those fringe benefits... free healthcare, a nice bennie.

My SIL said this weekend that the raise is nice, but there are two problems that really need to be fixed, in her opinion. She doesn't like the administrative bureaucracy layers, with redundant personnel overseeing the school systems. Cut some of them out. (Her opinion isn't alone, she says.)

More importantly, and this HAS to be frustrating for a teacher, whether in Oklahoma of Connecticut or Oregon or anywhere, and she's been talking about this for over a decade: parental support. Or rather, non-support. Every year parents are given a list of supplies they need, some required, some optional. And every year Smedley comes to class with a brand new backpack, an iPhone, a couple USB cables and chargers, and nothing else. When this is pointed out, the answer varies, but the basic response is, "So? You're the teacher, then teach them." Economics, demographics, political affiliation don't matter. I feel for her, it's frustrating to do what she does to be slammed on one side by the state and the other by a fairly significant population of parents, who either don't care, or care too much (i.e. their kid isn't the problem). She knows she can't do much about them. In the end, she spends a lot of time and her own money (almost $1100 last year) fixing the problem. Her thoughts: take half the raise and use it to improve the classrooms and get her the tools she needs, as a primary grade teacher, to do her job.

[tgbwc]

Originally Posted by SluggoF16

Interesting link. My sister-in-law teaches in the Moore SD and there she is, on a spreadsheet. It's what she said she gets paid, less than $40K annually. My wife is a state employee, too, what's not being said is the value of those fringe benefits... free healthcare, a nice bennie.

My SIL said this weekend that the raise is nice, but there are two problems that really need to be fixed, in her opinion. She doesn't like the administrative bureaucracy layers, with redundant personnel overseeing the school systems. Cut some of them out. (Her opinion isn't alone, she says.)

More importantly, and this HAS to be frustrating for a teacher, whether in Oklahoma of Connecticut or Oregon or anywhere, and she's been talking about this for over a decade: parental support. Or rather, non-support. Every year parents are given a list of supplies they need, some required, some optional. And every year Smedley comes to class with a brand new backpack, an iPhone, a couple USB cables and chargers, and nothing else. When this is pointed out, the answer varies, but the basic response is, "So? You're the teacher, then teach them." Economics, demographics, political affiliation don't matter. I feel for her, it's frustrating to do what she does to be slammed on one side by the state and the other by a fairly significant population of parents, who either don't care, or care too much (i.e. their kid isn't the problem). She knows she can't do much about them. In the end, she spends a lot of time and her own money (almost $1100 last year) fixing the problem. Her thoughts: take half the raise and use it to improve the classrooms and get her the tools she needs, as a primary grade teacher, to do her job.

I have not heard one example of a school district in OK providing “free healthcare”. Here is the chart for Moore:
http://www.mooreschools.com/cms/lib/...OGPremiums.pdf

It’s been said repeatedly that they are in need of funding, not just in the form of a pay raise.

[SluggoF16]

Originally Posted by tgbwc

I have not heard one example of a school district in OK providing “free healthcare”. Here is the chart for Moore:
http://www.mooreschools.com/cms/lib/...OGPremiums.pdf

It’s been said repeatedly that they are in need of funding, not just in the form of a pay raise.

I shouldn't have used the term "free". However, there is an allowance for healthcare premiums. My wife uses HealthChoice to supplement my program. The state allows ~$700 a month for premium coverage... go over, and the employee is responsible for the difference. If one is a military or retiree or one has a spouse who already has coverage, then that can be deferred, but the allowance goes back to the state and there is no extra money per paycheck. So use it. That's my case, and my BIL's, but the HealthChoice covers what FEHB or Tri-Care doesn't.


Bold emphasis: My SIL would rather the funds be diverted to textbooks, classrooms, and curriculum improvements.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Threestep

Considering COL and actual hours worked - 46k minimum is thaaaat bad?

They don't get 46k minimum, here is a chart of Oklahoma teachers wages, the current salary is crossed through and the new salary reflects a 6k annual increase.

A nationally credentialed teacher with 5 years experience is currently getting paid $34,500 a year. That $46,000 figure you're claiming is a minimum is the salary for a teacher with a masters degree and 15 years experience.
By the numbers: Closer look at minimum Oklahoma teacher salary under proposed plan | KFOR.com