[BeauCharles]

Originally Posted by ragnarkar

I wonder how many of these Californians are former Okies themselves (whose ancestors moved from Oklahoma to California about a decade ago)..

My mom and dad are from Oklahoma. Raised on biscuits and gravy, chicken fried steak and pinto beans with hamhock.

[eddie gein]

Originally Posted by ragnarkar

I wonder how many of these Californians are former Okies themselves (whose ancestors moved from Oklahoma to California about a decade ago)..

Ancestors?????...................... a decade ago????? Those would be some pretty young ancestors.

[SluggoF16]

Originally Posted by eddie gein

Ancestors?????...................... a decade ago????? Those would be some pretty young ancestors.

When I was stationed in California (George AFB) in the late 1980s I noticed a large number of obituaries which went something like "Mrs. Schmedley was born in Retrop, Oklahoma in 1922 and moved with her family to Weed, California in 1935..." (Those are real place names, "Retrop" is "Porter" spelled backwards, it's near Elk City.) An Okie moving back from Cali would be in his or her 80s if part of the Dust Bowl exodus.

A decade ago, a kid in the same scenario as above would be a young Millenial and maybe looking for a cheaper place to live. My sister is, lives near Escondido and no longer enjoys the state.

[eddie gein]

Originally Posted by SluggoF16

When I was stationed in California (George AFB) in the late 1980s I noticed a large number of obituaries which went something like "Mrs. Schmedley was born in Retrop, Oklahoma in 1922 and moved with her family to Weed, California in 1935..." (Those are real place names, "Retrop" is "Porter" spelled backwards, it's near Elk City.) An Okie moving back from Cali would be in his or her 80s if part of the Dust Bowl exodus.

A decade ago, a kid in the same scenario as above would be a young Millenial and maybe looking for a cheaper place to live. My sister is, lives near Escondido and no longer enjoys the state.

Now, you can't be a real Okie and not know about Retrop. That'd be like not knowing Gotebo or Bokchito.

Just can't get over the fact that millennial kids are somebodies "ancestor" nowadays. I guess I'd be classified as a fossil of some sort.

[SluggoF16]

Originally Posted by eddie gein

Now, you can't be a real Okie and not know about Retrop. That'd be like not knowing Gotebo or Bokchito.

Just can't get over the fact that millennial kids are somebodies "ancestor" nowadays. I guess I'd be classified as a fossil of some sort.

Retrop is an hour from where I live, been there. Same goes for Yewed, which is Dewey spelled backwards, it's near my in-laws' place in NW OK. (I drive through Gotebo via OK 54 to get to their place.)

Most people would rather go a half hour south near the TX border to Cookietown...

[Threestep2]

No matter how you twist the history and spelling class - California is on the move. Not overly welcome in OR/WA they are swarming. I thought it was bad in DFW but they have discovered OKC. What is next? Cali neighbors for Nightwish?

[eddie gein]

Originally Posted by Threestep

No matter how you twist the history and spelling class - California is on the move. Not overly welcome in OR/WA they are swarming. I thought it was bad in DFW but they have discovered OKC. What is next? Cali neighbors for Nightwish?

According to this source Oklahoma is #9 of all the states to which Californians are moving.

Texas is first followed by seven of the western states and then Oklahoma.

It would be kind of interesting how many of these people are children, grandchildren and great grandchildren of Dust Bowl immigrants.

https://lao.ca.gov/laoecontax/article/detail/265

[Plutonic Panda]

Originally Posted by nightbird47

But what I don't know if I could take in California would be that *rushing around* which is everywhere. I like my quiet corner where I never have to *hurry*.

While you do generally have that background noise around LA, there are many places you can go where it fades away more than you might think. More so, there are tons of areas within a short drive(traffic permitting of course) where you can get away from it entirely. The most prevalent of these places are Ranchos Palos Verdes, Malibu(along PCH gets more and more quiet the further north from Sunset you go until you get into Oxnard area), and San Gabriel Mountains area. Plenty of areas like Venice Canals, San Mario(which is essentially the Beverly Hills of the east LA area), and tons of areas packed in the hills offer a sense of escape from the big city though you do still get that hint of rushing traffic in the background. I'd say a lot of this is due to the terrain and sound diffraction. Hell, it's eerie even smack dab in the middle of NYC on rooftop gardens-- it's amazing how quiet it can be.

Originally Posted by nightbird47

If you insist in politics match, and everyone thinks like you do, and you are going to go out and change it all best to stay home. If you are willing to let people be AS THEY ARE, I've found people here are not going to try to change you, even if there's some real distance. As a loner of sorts, that's just fine with me.

I completely disagree with this logic whether or not I agree with the politics. This is a defeatist attitude and one that assumes you should change yourself to the way your community is because it will never change and your views aren't welcome.

OKC is already starting to turn blue and progressive and if it were for views such as yours that wouldn't be the case. I don't mean to be harsh, but that is the truth.

To add, I am not a fan of certain political ideologies being brought in from areas--that one could argue caused those people to move away from to begin with--being pushed on growing areas. Often times I see certain elements in Texas to be the raison d'etre of their growth though many Californians might seek to change that. For better or worse, I still support ones right to seek the change they desire and our society will ultimately be shaped by it; we have no one to blame but ourselves. I don't like people moving to Oklahoma and feeling that they are overwhelmed by the stereotypical "if you don't like it leave" crowd and I hope that isn't what you were going for with your statement.

[Plutonic Panda]

Originally Posted by Threestep

No matter how you twist the history and spelling class - California is on the move. Not overly welcome in OR/WA they are swarming. I thought it was bad in DFW but they have discovered OKC. What is next? Cali neighbors for Nightwish?

I am in Edmond for a few weeks as to take care of some business and I've been much more active around the city than I used to be in the past before left to California. I am pleasantly shocked at how many transplants from Texas(even places like El Paso and the more southern cities of Texas) and California I am meeting. I wasn't too thrilled with the latest population estimates, but anecdotally, I feel good about the growth at least in Edmond and DTOKC(the places I spend the most time) as I have spoken with many people who say they have very recently moved here and rather by impressed by the city. Growth is good and we should enjoy it while we can!

[BeauCharles]

Originally Posted by Plutonic Panda

OKC is already starting to turn blue and progressive and if it were for views such as yours that wouldn't be the case. I don't mean to be harsh, but that is the truth.

No, its not. In Oklahoma County (which is basically Oklahoma City) Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton by over 10 points in 2016. She didn't win a single county in Oklahoma. I have a lot of family there - its way more conservative than a truly blue city (like Sacramento for instance).