[Goodpasture]

assigned lands are those parts of the Indian Nations that was assigned to relocated NA's. Each of the Nations were assigned a specific piece of land, and yes, this would be prior to 1889. The land rush was for those areas that were considered non-occupied areas. Most of the land rushes were on the area called the Cherokee Strip, or the Cherokee Outlet. This was a fairly wide corridor that allowed access to the western hunting grounds to the Cherokee. Once the buffalo was pretty much gone, and the hunting grounds were no longer productive, Washington decided ti was time to get that area settled. None of the assigned lands were opened for the land rushes. BUT, the assigned lands were given to individuals as opposed to the tribe.......one result is the really good integration of NA's into Western European (North America style) culture. But the individuals could and did sell and transfer their property to others, creating communities of mixed heritages. This is why you can find your attorney is a Chickasaw or Cherokee, your Doctor a Seminole, and your accountant an Apache. All Tulsa is Creek except for the north east part which is Cherokee, and the North west which is Osage. Where I live is Pawnee. Cushing is in the Sac and Fox Nation. Seminole is both Citizen Pottowatomie and Seminole. South west central is Kiowa, the far southwest is Apache and Comanche, due west of OKC is Cheyenne and Arapahoe.......but none of them are really "reservations" like you get in New Mexico, Colorado, or the Dakota's.

I think the advertisements is simply to let people feel good about their heritage and to encourage non-NA's to appreciate the ongoing contribution to Oklahoma these Nations make to society.

Remember, outside of the Cherokee, none of the NA languages are written, except with the 26 letters of the white man's alphabet. As the old ones pass, often their language and heritage also passes. These advertisements can make the youth of the Nations proud of their heritage and make them want to learn more, participate more in their culture........this is a good thing, I think. My son and daughter were brought up to be proud of their ancestors, but neither one has taken advantage of the opportunities to learn the language (neither have I, for that matter). It is something we need to do...........

[LadyRobyn]

Colleen, I sent you links to some older maps showing where each Tribe's Territory was located.

They aren't exact to today's standards but they are close. As I said, we (Stephens CO) are in Chickasaw Territory, to our west is Comanche/Kiowa and to our East is Choctaw.

Mustang is JUST barely outside the northernmost tip of the Chickasaw Territory.

[OneDayAttaTime]

This info helps me so much! Thank you everyone!

Originally Posted by Goodpasture

....a good portion of Sperry is in Osage County (Osage Nation). If I am not mistaken, The Cherokee Nation boundary is just west of New Highway 75 (From Tulsa to Bartlesville) and east of 11 (running through Turley, Sperry, and Skiatook).


Tahlequah and Claremore are Cherokee, as is Verdigris, the northern part of Catoosa, and Tulsa north of Admiral and east of Highway 75. That includes Oolagah, Owasso, Collinsville, Talala, Nowata, Pryor, Adair, Vinita, Chelsea, etc.

In general, Tulsa, Wagoner, Muskogee, and Washington (Bartlesville) Counties are partially in the Cherokee Nation. Then Adair, Cherokee, Deleware, Ottawa, Mayes, Rogers, Nowata, and Craig Counties are all in the Cherokee Nation. Depending on how old your friend is, you might be interested in knowing that in Miami, Tahlequah, and Claremore, the Indian Health Services maintains hospitals with the one in Tahlequah currently undergoing extensive expansion.



BTW, I AM a Realtor, I just try not to advertise it here as I do not solicit business on forums I visit.

Glenpool and south and south east of Tulsa is Creek.

All Tulsa is Creek except for the north east part which is Cherokee, and the North west which is Osage. Where I live is Pawnee. Cushing is in the Sac and Fox Nation. Seminole is both Citizen Pottowatomie and Seminole. South west central is Kiowa, the far southwest is Apache and Comanche, due west of OKC is Cheyenne and Arapahoe.......but none of them are really "reservations" like you get in New Mexico, Colorado, or the Dakota's.




...by and large it is meaningless unless you are in an area where you or your family is a registered member.

I don't have any health insurance. My son, on the other hand, because of his membership in the Cherokee Nation has access to the Indian Hospital, can purchase a house at favorable terms through the Cherokee, can vote in the elections, has preferences when applying for a job with the Cherokee Nation Enterprises, etc.

Could I ask where to find more info on the "etc" you mentioned? (I don't qualify....but I just love to learn all I can.)

Originally Posted by okpondlady

I know for our purposes that if you live in Tahlequah the kids that are Cherokee get better Johnson O'Malley supplies. (JOM is a program that gives school supplies to NA children) In Checotah, they get pencils, spiral notebooks, paper.. that's about all. In Tahlequah, they get ALL Sorts of stuff including backpacks and jackets. The funding could be diffent Nations, different Counties, different managers... about anything.

Like this......

Originally Posted by karibear

and just about everything in between.

Each tribe or nation also has it's own criteria for who gets benefits - the recipients may be required to live within a reservation or on nation land. And they may provide benefits only to their own tribe, rather than to any otherwise qualified NA who lives within their area.

The one restriction we had was in the case of certain education benefits, where the degree of blood on the CIB excluded some because they weren't 'Indian' enough - as far as I know, that's part of the JOM regs and applies across all tribes and nations. Cherokee has some of the smallest blood quantums, but it still counts for them and their various other tribal benefits because someone was included in the Dawes registry.

Another difference within the past 10 years or so is in the area of Native Art. Fine arts of any kind can't be advertised for sale by an 'Indian' artist unless the blood quantum is at least 1/4. That was a blow to a lot of fine and productive artists, who were 1/8 whatevers.

[OneDayAttaTime]

Since we are talking about NA did you see this thread? (I posted it in a new thread so we didn't get off topic here.)

//www.city-data.com/forum/oklah...5-million.html

[colleeng47]

Thanks so much to all of you who have such great info on this. LR, I can't wait to check out those maps.

This is such a fascinating subject.

[karibear]

Originally Posted by Goodpasture

Remember, outside of the Cherokee, none of the NA languages are written, except with the 26 letters of the white man's alphabet. As the old ones pass, often their language and heritage also passes. These advertisements can make the youth of the Nations proud of their heritage and make them want to learn more, participate more in their culture........this is a good thing, I think. My son and daughter were brought up to be proud of their ancestors, but neither one has taken advantage of the opportunities to learn the language (neither have I, for that matter). It is something we need to do...........

While this is true, it's utterly amazing what can be done with those 26 letters! There is a language program at the U of Alaska/Fairbanks that's been publishing primers in Yupik for at least 35 years, I worked in another of the extended campus libraries where we received and had to catalog them. It's interesting, to say the least, to see one word run on for 2 to 4 lines in a printed book.

Some years later, Richard and Philomena Knecht came to Kodiak to do archeological research. He finished his doctorate with some of the things he did there, and she was a major force in revitalizing the Alutiiq [previously Aleut] language. When I arrived in '69, the locals spoke a mixture of Aleut and Russian slang, but mostly English - and the whites who were long-time residents spoke pretty much the same way. You didn't order a cup of tea in a restaurant, you ordered some chai. Nearly everyone I knew didn't say 'thank you' they said 'spazeba'. After Philomena got going, the Russian words were separated from the Native words, and more and more people are learning it. It's happening not only there, either, it's circumpolar, and stretches south wherever there are NAs or 'aboriginal' or 'indigenous' people.

[karibear]

Originally Posted by OneDayAttaTime

This info helps me so much! Thank you everyone!

Could I ask where to find more info on the "etc" you mentioned? (I don't qualify....but I just love to learn all I can.)

Like this......

I can't speak for anyone else, but I learned what I did first by living in the middle of it, second as part of on-the-job training. Just to make it a tad more interesting, my mother spent a year working for the BIA, until she reached the point where she couldn't stand what they were doing anymore. And my father and a couple uncles were on BIA sports teams back in the '30s when they were in DC, so I was always interested in whatever I could find out. One thing I found out early on was that even though I'm 1/8 Apache, none of them were interested in me - since I didn't grow up on a rez or in the traditional lifestyle, I was just another apple wannabe.

[LadyRobyn]

Originally Posted by OneDayAttaTime

Since we are talking about NA did you see this thread? (I posted it in a new thread so we didn't get off topic here.)

//www.city-data.com/forum/oklah...5-million.html

Yep... see my post.
//www.city-data.com/forum/4807393-post4.html

[okpondlady]

The biggest part of the advertisements is to let us "white folks" know that we also benifit from living close to our NA neighbors. I know in Cherokee and Creek (Muscogee) areas the Nations donate to local school systems, roads, bridges, all sorts of things. My mother and I are attending a health fair in Eufaula next month at the Eufaula Indian Community, sponsored by the Muscogee Nation. I, Personally, find the casino situation very humorious. They are providing lots of needed funds for the Nations.

[Goodpasture]

Originally Posted by okpondlady

............I, Personally, find the casino situation very humorious.........

I find it funny as well.......once again the Injuns are scalping the white man...........