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Old 08-09-2008, 05:32 PM
 
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He is Cherokee Indian blood so want to be within the jurisdictional boundaries for the Cherokee Nation.

They are thinking Sperry might be....Tahlequah...maybe around Catoosa and Claremore? They wouldn't mind the area around Glenpool but we don't think that is....I could be wrong...I can't seem to find a good map that tells me.

This is all I found this: Geographic Boundaries Determined for Tax Incentives Associated with "Former Indian Reservations in Oklahoma"

Anyone have any ideas? Is this something a Realtor might know??


Edited:
Since then I have found this but I still can't read the map well: http://www.cherokee.org/Services/Che...id=1uIvjJcP2e4=

And this is anyones guess: http://books.google.com/books?id=L1G...um=3&ct=result

Last edited by OneDayAttaTime; 08-09-2008 at 06:30 PM.. Reason: Found a better map
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Old 08-10-2008, 09:57 AM
 
Location: OK
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Paging Dr. Goodpasture!!!!


(He and I have access to the same databases but he knows the Cherokee Nation much better than I do).

Just stand by ..... we'll get you sorted out!
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Old 08-10-2008, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Pawnee Nation
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He is Cherokee Indian blood so want to be within the jurisdictional boundaries for the Cherokee Nation.

They are thinking Sperry might be....
I am not totally sure, but I DO know that a good portion of Sperry is in Osage County (Osage Nation). If I am not mistaken, The Cherokee Nation boundary is just west of New Highway 75 (From Tulsa to Bartlesville) and east of 11 (running through Turley, Sperry, and Skiatook).

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Tahlequah...maybe around Catoosa and Claremore? They wouldn't mind the area around Glenpool but we don't think that is....I could be wrong...I can't seem to find a good map that tells me.
Tahlequah and Claremore are Cherokee, as is Verdigris, the northern part of Catoosa, and Tulsa north of Admiral and east of Highway 75. That includes Oolagah, Owasso, Collinsville, Talala, Nowata, Pryor, Adair, Vinita, Chelsea, etc.

In general, Tulsa, Wagoner, Muskogee, and Washington (Bartlesville) Counties are partially in the Cherokee Nation. Then Adair, Cherokee, Deleware, Ottawa, Mayes, Rogers, Nowata, and Craig Counties are all in the Cherokee Nation. Depending on how old your friend is, you might be interested in knowing that in Miami, Tahlequah, and Claremore, the Indian Health Services maintains hospitals with the one in Tahlequah currently undergoing extensive expansion.

Glenpool and south and south east of Tulsa is Creek.


BTW, I AM a Realtor, I just try not to advertise it here as I do not solicit business on forums I visit. My primary business is real estate appraising. My exwife has her Cherokee CDIB, and is a voting member of the Cherokee Nation as are both my children. One branch of my ancestors also has a Cherokee heritage, but they refused to enroll in the Dawes commission register and so I am not able to vote in the Cherokee elections.......I asked my grandmother once if she were Cherokee and she simply said "One ran through my back yard once" and spent her life denying her Chreokee heritage, although to look at her pictures, you can certainly see the NA in her......but that was not uncommon among people born in the late 1800's.
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Old 08-10-2008, 11:43 AM
 
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Please excuse my ignorance, but I always like to learn. If I moved to one of those areas that are considered Cherokee or Creek Nations, does that affect me in any way? Or do you have to be NA for that to mean anything?
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Old 08-10-2008, 12:33 PM
 
Location: OK
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Please excuse my ignorance, but I always like to learn. If I moved to one of those areas that are considered Cherokee or Creek Nations, does that affect me in any way? Or do you have to be NA for that to mean anything?
That isn't ignorance ..... ignorance is if you don't know and couldn't care less to learn

Greg is in the process of writing an explanation (you will be glad you asked ) but I just wanted to interject something.

In Ft Smith, AR .... just on the border OK/AR by Sallisaw, are two fantastic musea .... one is Ms. Laura's .... one of several brothels that were around in those days and the most classy one. The other one is the fort and stomping grounds of Judge Parker aka "the Hanging Judge". In itself very worthy of visiting, and the visitors center there has a film that explains how the Native Americans got here and AR from FL.

Definately worth a trip. ANd for those who want to go there but need a place to overnight, please feel welcome to stay with us. We are about half-way.
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Old 08-10-2008, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Pawnee Nation
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by and large it is meaningless unless you are in an area where you or your family is a registered member.

I don't have any health insurance. My son, on the other hand, because of his membership in the Cherokee Nation has access to the Indian Hospital, can purchase a house at favorable terms through the Cherokee, can vote in the elections, has preferences when applying for a job with the Cherokee Nation Enterprises, etc.

When the Nations were broken up into individual allotments, they became the fee simple properties of the individuals, meaning they had the right to freely transfer them. This occurred in the late 1800's or the early 1900's. When oil was discovered in Osage County, the individuals owned all the subsurface rights, but when it was shown that the individuals could not handle the sudden wealth, the Osage Nation took steps to retain all Osage Nation (County) mineral rights and manages it on behalf of the members of that nation. At least in Osage, the members of the nation get head rights which provides many of them with income. BUT, you can live in the Osage (or any other) Nation without bias or prejudice.......you just have no claim to the rights of the members of that nation.

FWIW, if I read my maps right, Mustang was in an unassigned area. To the west of you was the lands assigned to the Cheyenne and Arapaho, to the south were the Wichita and Kiowa, south of OKC was the Chickasaw, north was the Cherokee Outlet and some of the smaller relocated people, like the Ponca, the Otoe, Kansas, Nez Perces, Missouria. But that area west of Pottawatomie and Iowa and the Sac and Fox, about 45 miles east to west and 60+/- miles north south was unassigned lands. That is the area that is Oklahoma City, Mustang, etc. The unassigned area (and I am reading this from themaps that I can find, start at about Meridian (which is also the Indian Meridian used in legal descriptions), and goes west to about El Reno (Ft Reno, established to deal with the Arapahoe and Cheyenne).
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Old 08-10-2008, 12:40 PM
 
Location: NE Oklahoma
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If you are a member of the Nation then it would effect you. Otherwise you would only be effected by seeing lots of Cherokees in Cherokee Traditional Lands.... Creeks in Muscogee Nation... ect. Living in Checotah/Eufaula we have alot of dealings with the Muscogee Tribal Police. Any big event or whatever that our police force or sherriff needs help they call on the Tribal Police. I know for our purposes that if you live in Tahlequah the kids that are Cherokee get better Johnson O'Malley supplies. (JOM is a program that gives school supplies to NA children) In Checotah, they get pencils, spiral notebooks, paper.. that's about all. In Tahlequah, they get ALL Sorts of stuff including backpacks and jackets. The funding could be diffent Nations, different Counties, different managers... about anything. Could even be that Cherokee children are more visible being in Tahlequah.
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Old 08-10-2008, 12:48 PM
 
Location: OK
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We live in the Pawnee nation and aren't affected one way or another .....
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Old 08-10-2008, 01:58 PM
 
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Please excuse my ignorance, but I always like to learn. If I moved to one of those areas that are considered Cherokee or Creek Nations, does that affect me in any way? Or do you have to be NA for that to mean anything?
Unless you're NA, it won't mean anything at all. If you are, then it may depend on what tribe you are enrolled in as to whether or not you would be eligible for any tribal benefits. AK, for instance, is considered to be Indian Country in it's entirety, even though there is one [and only one] actual reservation in the state. When I worked to the Native Association, we had clients that ranged from Yupik to Apache and just about everything in between.

Each tribe or nation also has it's own criteria for who gets benefits - the recipients may be required to live within a reservation or on nation land. And they may provide benefits only to their own tribe, rather than to any otherwise qualified NA who lives within their area.

The one restriction we had was in the case of certain education benefits, where the degree of blood on the CIB excluded some because they weren't 'Indian' enough - as far as I know, that's part of the JOM regs and applies across all tribes and nations. Cherokee has some of the smallest blood quantums, but it still counts for them and their various other tribal benefits because someone was included in the Dawes registry.

Another difference within the past 10 years or so is in the area of Native Art. Fine arts of any kind can't be advertised for sale by an 'Indian' artist unless the blood quantum is at least 1/4. That was a blow to a lot of fine and productive artists, who were 1/8 whatevers.
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Old 08-10-2008, 03:03 PM
 
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GP, a couple of more questions if you don't mind. I took The History of the NA in college a couple of years ago. I loved the course, but have either forgotten or never learned some things.

When you speak of "assigned" lands to various tribes are you referring to the time that OK was considered Indian Territory? That is, prior to the land rush of 1889? As far as I know the land rush gave lots that had been previously assigned to various tribes who were forced to move further West in order to open up lands to settlers. Was that land somehow reassigned to the tribes sometime after that? And what does that assignment mean because a lot of that land is privately owned now. If I sound confused it's because I am. I'm just trying to understand.

I also see various tribes advertised on TV, and I wonder what the purpose of the advertisement is. I know there is one tribe that advertises that quite a bit of money has been given to the local school system. Is the advertisements geared towards NAs to let them know what services and/or benefits are due them?
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