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Old 10-17-2009, 12:54 AM
 
Location: west texas
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I am considering getting out of Texas altogether and am looking at Oklahoma. In the matter of Job I have narrowed down to: Ardmore, Sulphur, Lawton, Clinton, Talihina, Claremore, Muskogee, Tahlequah or Durant.

Can I get any feedback.

The areas I would be if I stayed in Texas would be Bonham, Dennison, Sherman, Paris or Gainesville; any feedback on those places?

So far Ardmore and Sulphur appeal most to me. Lawton seems nice also but I am more drawn to greener warmer climates with water and trees.
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Old 10-17-2009, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Pawnee Nation
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I love Ardmore. I would move there without hesitation.

Sulphur is a bit smaller, a bit less to do there, and quieter. At my age I would probably like that area too.

Claremore is a great and growing community. It is essentially a bedroom community for Tulsa, with a rich history of it's own and a pretty decent 4 year university (Rogers State). Being a few minutes out of Tulsa means you can access all the shopping, cultural things (Philbrook, Gilcrease museums; the philharmonic, the Symphony, the Ballet, the BOK Center, the restaurants, etc) of Tulsa without having to spend the night.

Tahlequah is rich in Cherokee history, has NSU, is close to Tenkiller Lake, lies on the Illinois river, and is one of the town I would live in if I lived in a town.

I will let some of the Durant people tell you about it......but I like Durant a lot as well.

Not that familiar with Lawton......but we have a lot of military people on here that can fill you in on that community.

Clinton is more like west Texas in many respects......economy based on oil and wheat and cattle......but it is a nice area.



The biggest problem I would have with the Texas towns is having to hang my head every time someone asked me where I was from..........
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Old 10-18-2009, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Not where you ever lived
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Oklahoma is not a cold state when compared to, say, Amarillo in the winter. What you do not want to do is isolate yourself to a point it is 50 miles to the nearest hospital.
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Old 10-19-2009, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Where deer are milk cows and hoot owls are chickens and near where Big Foot is occasionally seen.
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Talihina - Located in one of the most beautiful, scenic areas of the state. Mountains, pines, oak, sycamore, all just beginning to turn toward fall colors now and should be nice in a couple of weeks. The town is small, and is somewhat isolated depending on where you were used to living previously and what you consider "isolated". Large native American population, but I assume you know that if you are looking at a nursing job in Talihina. If quick access to a Walmart, JC Penny, Chilli's, McDonalds, a dry cleaners, or a movie theater is important to you, then Talihina is probably not the place for you. If breathtaking views from the top of Talimena Drive, the sight of beautiful whitetail deer standing along the road in the evening and seeing the occasional black bear saunter across the road, then Talihina might be for you. I moved here from a moderate sized city, the biggest adjustment I had was trying to get to sleep with the absolute silence at night except for natures sounds and the convience of driving down the street to a Wally-world store. The trade off I made though has been worth it and you may find the same value. Come for a visit and see the place before you decide on going somewhere else. Talihina may be a "perfect fit" for you and we could always use another talented professional in the community.
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:53 PM
 
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Default need feedback on oklahoma towns for relocation

I can tell you about Lawton. Don't come here. There's almost nothing to do, and it's generally an ugly place. There is a little bit of professional landscaping here and there, but basically, it's a backwards little two-horse town. The population statistics were manipulated by annexing the people who live in the large, local Army base (Ft. Sill). When their population numbers were added to Lawton's, it made the town seem to have more people, and a lot of businesses have come here because of that. Which, frankly, has been good for the town.
As for public education, well, despite some claims by school administrators, Lawton's curriculum is really "dumbed down." To make matters worse, school administrators have many prejudices (For instance, letting a Christian song be played by a high school band but refusing to let a similarily-focused Jewish song to be played). And they'll look you straight in the eye and lie. Also, unfortunately, no matter how badly one of them treats you or your child, they all say "This is the first time anybody complained about [fill in the blank]," regardless of how many times complaints have been made! A lot of those people grew up together and they definitely stick together. As a result, a good many teachers and a couple of counse4lors get away with being verbally abusive and vindictive, and there isn't a thing you can do about it no matter how high up you go. The exception to that has been when the governor has been informed of a problem. THEN it gets fixed -- but not permanently. As far as the people, most of them are really, really nice. That's one good thing.
There are many gangs. There are a lot of drugs. Also, rather scary, is that our local area has one of the highest rates of "super germ" infections in the country. My physician told me that. The jails are awful, except for the one new detention center. The city jail hasn't been repainted since the 1940s! And sadly, there is lots of kinds of crime, including serious crime. I moved here from Washington, D.C., and the crime is actually worse here than there! Part of the problem is that the police department is underfunded and understaffed. But I honestly do think the local cops are generally good people. Of course, there are always a few crooked ones no matter where you go. I really believe that most of the cops here are doing the good people and are doing the best they can. Especially considering what they're up against.
There are not enough doctors. The medical care is not so top-notch comparatively speaking, when stacked up against areas where good medical care is provided. But they are not as calloused and cold as medical personnel in bigger areas.
The Wichita mountains are nearby, and there is a small town nestled in the hills called, "Medicine Park," and it's a cute little place, good for a few weekends of amusement at least. And a fun place to swim in the summer. There's a tiny, tiny little mall which most people who were born and raised here think is a big mall, which is kinda cute. The people here, again, are "southern" enough to still have thost old-fashioned good manners. It can get a little male-dominated, but people do kinda look out for each other in my experience.
It's not a good place to raise kids. It's just not. There just aren't enough activities or places to go to have fun. There are a few, but not enough.
If I could have one wish, it would be to live somewhere else. Almost anywhere else!
I hear that Oklahoma City has grown and become more sophisticated, but Tulsa is MUCH prettier--it gets more rain, maybe, because there are nice, big trees everywhere and pretty foliage. The OKC downtown area has a neat little area of shops and restaurants and a decent man-made river. But OKC doesn't compare to Tulsa for things to do. The little towns in the Tulsa area are cute, but again, there's not much to do. People who like a lot of intellectual and cultural stimulation find it boring, although restive, LOL! The further east you get, the more forests and hills abound, and it gets downright gorgeous.
Well, whatever you decide, I wish you the best of luck.
LH
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Sherman/Denison, Bonham, Paris and Gainesville are pretty much moribund when it comes to jobs. There just aren't any except in the low-paying retail area. Manufacturing jobs, with a few notable exceptions, moved out years ago.

In Oklahoma, Durant seems to be booming more than any other area of the state. A few years ago, they adopted some rather generous tax and incentive programs to lure industry and they've succeeded beyond their wildest expectations. New business, industry and distribution services have flocked to that part of Bryan County. The Choctaw Casino near Calera, for instance, is expanding it's operation and will soon employ over 1500 people. Along with the new Big Lots warehouse and Cardinal Glass factory, Durant is growing by leaps and bounds. New housing is taking over, especially north and west of town. The unemployment rate is far, far lower than either the state or national average.

The same can be said of Ardmore. I don't know what they've done over there, but the economy is chugging right along, fueled by a host of distribution centers and the access provided by the Interstate highway.

Hugo, Sulphur, Madill, Tishomingo, Atoka and Davis, on the other hand, are just typical small towns with little to do and nothing to recommend them.

Taxes in Oklahoma are low, especially when compared to Texas. The property tax, with a homestead exemption, in Bryan County, Oklahoma is generally several THOUSAND dollars lower than on a similar property in Grayson County, Texas, right across the Red River. The tradeoff is that Oklahoma has a state income tax, but it doesn't amount to more than 11% of income, at the maximum. They used to have a serious tax problem on new cars and on transfering titles and registering existing cars, but they've corrected that. In addtion, no state inspection is required, unlike in Texas.

Addtionally, if you or a member of your household is a 100% disabled Veteran, you can live almost literally tax-free in Oklahoma. No property tax, no sales tax, no excise tax and no income tax on your VA check.

That, though, leads to the major problem with moving to southern or southeastern Oklahoma. The flood of Texans running from high property taxes has driven land and home values into the stratosphere, especially in Love, Marshall, Carter, Bryan, Choctaw, Atoka and Pushmataha counties. Oklahoma land owners and realty agents seem to believe that Texans will pay anything to get of Texas and they're being proven right. Houses and acreage which sold for a pittance in the past is now being snapped up for more than top dollar by Texans who don't know how much they're being screwed. For instance, what you could have bought 10 years ago in Calera, Colbert, Marietta, Thackerville, Durant or Hugo for $70,000 now commands a quarter of a million or more.

If you really want to move to Oklahoma, look first for opportunity in Durant and Ardmore. If you find something there, look elsewhere for a place to live. In Bryan County, look east and southeast of Durant, not south, north or southwest. For some reason, nobody seems to want to live around Bokchito, Bennington, Roberta, Albany, Wade, Yuba, Kemp or Hendrix and property values there have not kept pace with the other regions of that county. In Carter County (Ardmore), the flow of Texans seems to be settling almost exclusively in the city or south of there. You can still find good values north and west of the city.
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Old 10-22-2009, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Deep Dirty South
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Durant and Ardmore aren't bad places. Livable for sure. They wouldn't be my personal first choices though. However, they might be the best options when it comes to finding a job. It's been a couple of years since I moved out of the state although I have lived most of my life in Oklahoma.

I don't mean to offend anyone, but I gotta agree with AngelinaHaber--I would not recommend Lawton. I've spent a lot of time there (unfortunately) over the years and it has always had a depressive feel for me. A really negative vibe somehow. I am sure there are nice people and some nice neighborhoods somewhere in Lawton, but they seem well hidden.

The only good thing I can really say about Lawton is that it has some killer pawn shops (or at least it used to.) I assume this is because there are so many military folks always moving in and out of the area and dumping their stuff.

But overall it is not in one of the prettier parts of the state and I've just never gotten a good feeling from the place.

Of all the areas you mentioned, I would have to go with Muskogee or Tahlequah with the emphasis on Tahlequah. It has a lot of natural beauty, a university and is in general one of the hipper and more happening smaller towns in the state in my opinion.

Whatever you decide, good luck to you!
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Old 10-23-2009, 12:10 AM
 
Location: west texas
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Thanks for the feedback. lots of beneficial information here. The jobs I've looked at are nursing jobs; I've done all the fast high tech stuff and I am ready to settle into a nice local hospital or nursing home and just work a job and go home and sit on the porch and quilt, drink hot tea and watch the garden grow.
I've looked at the Ardmore and Sulphur vets home. The same places in the other towns I've mentioned. I might consider some day working a little in an Indian hospital. In Bonham it would be a Texas vets home or the VA.
Really either of those places will be fine. Family is close and that is one reason I am leaving west Texas plus the dust is horrible and Big Spring is a dying town full of drunks and addicts.
Car insurance is cheaper in Oklahoma I understand (my local agent told me that).

Any feedback on the vets homes or tornados or ice and snow.

Oklahoma is pretty and I bet nice to live in.

The wineries; does anyone know anything about them. I don't care for wine but they often sell good grapes or products made with wine like wine soaked garlic or salsas. Any feedback about such places.

Ardmore or Sulphur safe? What about meth is it a problem there or gangs?

Any dining or things to do. I hear the national park is nice and with lakes I bet fishing is good. As for food I like BBQ or fried catfish or pork chops. Any places good to eat in any of those towns?
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Old 10-23-2009, 04:55 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Oh, I just recognized who you are! Is Bonham still a possibility?

Like the other poster said, Tahlequah is a nice little town with a state University and Indian health care facility. There's a big new Indian hospital in McAlester too.

There's also small, public hospitals in Antlers and Hugo. Neither town has much to recommend them, but Antlers especially is nearly dead. If it weren't the county seat, it would be totally boarded up. The downside to either of those places is that the farther you get east of Durant and south of McAlester, the more....um, how shall I put this.....the more strange the people get. There are some really weird folks living out in those hills and rural areas who can be quite dangerous if you're not used to living among people like that. Most of SE Oklahoma is remote and empty, a perfect location for weed growing and meth manufacturing, which it has plenty of. It's also attractive to the outcasts, the social misfits and survival types. Strangers wandering into the wrong place can disappear.

McAlester, though, may be just what you're looking for. It's a nice little town with a population of about 25,000 but, since it's a regional center for everything, it's busy all the time. Health care, the public schools and the state prison are what drives it, all of which may be in need of nurses. The quality of living in most neighborhoods is great, especially north of suburban Krebs, just under the mountain. It's all upscale and the scenery is wonderful, especially the higher up you get. There's plenty of shopping and good restaurants, including a magnificent BBQ joint just east of Krebs on the highway to Wilberton. I forget the name of it, but you can't miss it as the parking lot will be full of dump trucks and log trucks. It's on the north side of the road.

The weather there is actually four seasons, unlike here only a hundred or so miles to the south. They actually have winter there and are much more likely to catch some snow or ice than we are here on the Red River. The downside is that it can really pile up. For instance, a couple of years ago, they had an ice storm which coated the whole town with 4 INCHES of ice. It destroyed just about every tree in town and knocked out power for a week. Only the year before, they'd had one nearly that bad which just about totalled that whole part of the state. Last winter, it was Talequah and the area east of there which got slammed.

The people there are friendly and outgoing, though there's always a subset of "night crawlers" to keep the cops busy. At least they don't have to leave home when they go to jail because the main prison is on the west side of town. LOL

The property values there are a little high for my taste, but not nearly so bad as in the counties across the river from Texas. Like any other place, though, you can find some good values, but most of the cheaper houses are in questionable neighborhoods. I don't know if there are any big apartment complexs or not. I can't remember seeing any and I've literally been all over town. That's not to say they aren't there, though, just that I can't remember any. But, at 60, "can't remember" is a common phrase for me now. LOL
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Old 10-23-2009, 06:01 AM
 
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Durant and Ardmore aren't bad places. Livable for sure. They wouldn't be my personal first choices though. However, they might be the best options when it comes to finding a job. It's been a couple of years since I moved out of the state although I have lived most of my life in Oklahoma.

I don't mean to offend anyone, but I gotta agree with AngelinaHaber--I would not recommend Lawton. I've spent a lot of time there (unfortunately) over the years and it has always had a depressive feel for me. A really negative vibe somehow. I am sure there are nice people and some nice neighborhoods somewhere in Lawton, but they seem well hidden.

The only good thing I can really say about Lawton is that it has some killer pawn shops (or at least it used to.) I assume this is because there are so many military folks always moving in and out of the area and dumping their stuff.

But overall it is not in one of the prettier parts of the state and I've just never gotten a good feeling from the place.

Of all the areas you mentioned, I would have to go with Muskogee or Tahlequah with the emphasis on Tahlequah. It has a lot of natural beauty, a university and is in general one of the hipper and more happening smaller towns in the state in my opinion.

Whatever you decide, good luck to you!
Good to see you again Griffis. It was your posts that brought us to Tahlequah to check it out, and we have not been sorry.

I really don't care for Muskogee for living, but others do. At least they have some shopping that keeps me from having to drive to Tulsa or Ft. Smith. But then I do alot of shopping online.
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