[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by TulsaArtist

from the article........ "introducing legislation to create a new volunteer militia, designed to protect against what they see as the federal government's infringements on state sovereignty,"

So what are the specific infringements, and how would a militia protect against them?

Also, I believe there is something in the Constitution "usually something these types of people complain loudly about not being followed correctly" that says a state can't form a militia on its own, it takes approval by the US Congress.

Arent these people also the ones who usually say the US Military needs to be strong and well funded? And, how much extra is this militia going to cost our conservative state?

Congress has already given approval to every state to have a state militia. They can't in fact deny permission to a state to have one, they may only regulate them to a degree and call them to service of the United States in the event of invasion, etc.

Second, how a militia would protect against infringements? It would make it more difficult for the feds to use martial law to suspend liberties, they could be used against federal agents acting illegally, etc. But simply having one would be enough to dissuade the feds from starting a confrontation, which is the point and what our founders wanted.

[Goodpasture]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

There's nothing extreme about this, several states already have one, such as Alaska, Vermont...

so what do they do besides play soldier........remember we've already had one pseudo milita guy visit our state.......Tim McVeigh

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

Most states don't take them seriously..............

Cool....can't wait to be a member of another organization that people won't take seriously..............

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

They tend to cost little or nothing as they are volunteer forces. A militia by definition is volunteer and members supply their own equipment.

so the armory has everything in it from 22's to 50 calibers.........good use of funds............

[riceweevil]

It is quite obvious that U;S.History has been quickly forgotten. In 1861-65 President Abraham Lincoln used Federal troops against the citizens of this Country. The Confederates were the militia who were resisting the control of the Federal Government in their lives.
Your rewritten public school textbooks have taught you that the war was about slavery[ of which I disagree with].Slavery is wrong no matter how you slice the pie.
The real reason for the civil war was about States Rights and their right to govern themselfs.Many people today see history repeating itself with the Federal Government overstepping its boundaries and powers which are limited by the U.S. Constitution.You ever read the U.S.Constitution?
This has been happening for a long time and not a new thing with Obama or Pelosi.
This is the reason for the rise of the Tea Party and the increase in militias.
As Oklahomans how do you like getting back 70 cents of every tax dollar that you send to Washington D.C.This is a bad deal for the taxpayers of Oklahoma. Our taxes should be payed to our local and State governments for LOCAL self -rule.Then the States should determine how much money goes to Washington D.C. for the purpose of defending the borders of this country.
On this tax day of 2010 everyone should give serious thought to what is happening to you and your tax dollars.

[padcrasher]

It has more to do with being sore losers about the 2008 election. Every time the Conservatives lose power they dust off their protest signs and pretend to be Libertarians. They'll ramble on about how much they respect the Constitution yet were strangely almost silent for the last Presidents term.

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by Goodpasture

so what do they do besides play soldier........remember we've already had one pseudo milita guy visit our state.......Tim McVeigh

McVeigh wasn't a member of a militia.

They train for the defense of the state.

Cool....can't wait to be a member of another organization that people won't take seriously..............

Well a state can take them seriously, some do more than others. Some have awoken to the fact in some states most of the national guard is overseas and not available...

so the armory has everything in it from 22's to 50 calibers.........good use of funds............

Doesn't cost anything to the state.

[riceweevil]

Originally Posted by Goodpasture

so what do they do besides play soldier........remember we've already had one pseudo milita guy visit our state.......Tim McVeigh


Cool....can't wait to be a member of another organization that people won't take seriously..............

so the armory has everything in it from 22's to 50 calibers.........good use of funds............

May I remind you that Tim McVey was a decorated veteran of the 1st Gulf War in 1991. Just trying to get out the facts. This fact does not excuse his behavior in 1995 at OKC.

[riceweevil]

Originally Posted by tookey

Just another reason for the rest of the country to get the impression that OK is filled with nut cases.

The only nut cases are the people who set on their hands and do nothing while our elected "representatives" TRAMPLE on the U.S.Constitution.

[StillwaterTownie]

Good lord, how are our 6 elected REPUBLICAN representatives trampling on our U. S. Constitution.

[linicx]

Yeah the south wanted their slaves, but I thought the reason behind the civil war was the south supported slavery. formed its own governement, printed its own money, formed its own army. built its own ships, and declared itself seperated from the north.

I think it was the most famous Whig who declared. "A house divided against itself cannot stand."

A state militia that opposes federal troops is a mistake. It is not only bloody, it will be long and costly in court to sort it all out. AFAIK during the Revolution every county had a militia. The Battle of Monmouth County in New Jersey was one of the bloodiest. If you mount a defense, do it against the hate groups that lie and wrongly arouse passions. There are many such groups in the mid-west. The Soouthern Poverty Law Center has a long list of names of these on the web and where they are located.

If you want to learn how to elect POTUS, do watch the movie The American Preident starring Michael Douglas. There is a lot hype, and a bit of fluff but if you listen closely, you will hear some truth.

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by linicx

Yeah the south wanted their slaves, but I thought the reason behind the civil war was the south supported slavery. formed its own governement, printed its own money, formed its own army. built its own ships, and declared itself seperated from the north.

I think it was the most famous Whig who declared. "A house divided against itself cannot stand."

A state militia that opposes federal troops is a mistake. It is not only bloody, it will be long and costly in court to sort it all out. AFAIK during the Revolution every county had a militia. The Battle of Monmouth County in New Jersey was one of the bloodiest. If you mount a defense, do it against the hate groups that lie and wrongly arouse passions. There are many such groups in the mid-west. The Soouthern Poverty Law Center has a long list of names of these on the web and where they are located.

If you want to learn how to elect POTUS, do watch the movie The American Preident starring Michael Douglas. There is a lot hype, and a bit of fluff but if you listen closely, you will hear some truth.

Actually it was the intent of the founders and authors of the Constitution that there only be state militias, as they are less likely to follow the orders of a tyrant against the people. For instance, you would be unlikely to see a group of locals illegally confiscating people's firearms like various groups did in New Orleans after hurricane katrina.

The Constitution intended to stop a standing army from existing by putting limits on how long a bill funding one could be in effect. That didn't work though. Imperialist ambitions in the 1890's and early 1900's by people like Theodore Roosevelt made a standing army necessary.

As of right now, several states have these state militias/defense forces/state guards, including Vermont and Alaska...so far, no bloody battles have erupted...you can't compare battles of the Revolution to today. It's an excellent idea to have a state guard when the national guard is overseas in such numbers, apart from the obvious benefit of locals being entirely involved and loyal only to their own state.

As for the SPLC...they listed the local Constitution Party as a right-wing extremist group. They've been sued in the past for libel by people they falsely accused of being racists. The SPLC is basically a bunch of leftist extremists who label everyone they disagree with as extremists, while trying to pretend they're still fighting the KKK like decades ago to rake in millions in donations.