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Old 04-17-2010, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Pawnee Nation
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..........It's an excellent idea to have a state guard when the national guard is overseas in such numbers............
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Who is the state guard supposed to guard against? Kansans? Texans? or is New York gonna march down to the Red and "take over"? That really has to be one of the silliest, most paranoid, moronic statements ever posted on the Oklahoma forum. No wonder you don't call this place home........no one here would take you seriously..........

 
Old 04-17-2010, 05:33 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Who is the state guard supposed to guard against? Kansans? Texans? or is New York gonna march down to the Red and "take over"? That really has to be one of the silliest, most paranoid, moronic statements ever posted on the Oklahoma forum. No wonder you don't call this place home........no one here would take you seriously..........
The Vermont State Guard has assisted some with security in the past at sensitive targets, such as after 9/11, etc. They can also assist during natural disasters. Alaska's guarded the oil pipeline when there were threats against it.

State Defense Forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Old 04-17-2010, 05:42 PM
 
Location: OK
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It is really cool to see Goodpasture and Arctichomesteader "discuss" things on a different forum LOL

Where are Steve and Oz??
 
Old 04-17-2010, 05:48 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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It is really cool to see Goodpasture and Arctichomesteader "discuss" things on a different forum LOL

Where are Steve and Oz??
Yeah, I'm waiting for those two to show up. ROFL
 
Old 04-17-2010, 05:48 PM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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The Vermont State Guard has assisted some with security in the past at sensitive targets, such as after 9/11, etc. They can also assist during natural disasters. Alaska's guarded the oil pipeline when there were threats against it.

State Defense Forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Well, here in the South-Central we also have the "Yellow Hats" = Southern Baptist Disaster Relief team, otherwise known as the Oklahoma Working Men. You can read more about it at www.namb.net.

Hence, I don't think we need state militia for natural disasters.
 
Old 04-17-2010, 05:50 PM
 
Location: OK
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Yeah, I'm waiting for those two to show up. ROFL
They both hang around here ..........
 
Old 04-17-2010, 05:53 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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They both hang around here ..........
I know, I wasn't entirely joking...it would be just like the old days at BH...
 
Old 04-17-2010, 05:54 PM
 
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Well, here in the South-Central we also have the "Yellow Hats" = Southern Baptist Disaster Relief team, otherwise known as the Oklahoma Working Men. You can read more about it at www.namb.net.

Hence, I don't think we need state militia for natural disasters.
IIRC during Katrina (and during other disasters) private aid groups have run into difficulties government agencies didn't (bureaucratic red tape). FWIW.
 
Old 04-17-2010, 11:11 PM
 
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it has more to do with being sore losers about the 2008 election. Every time the conservatives lose power they dust off their protest signs and pretend to be libertarians. They'll ramble on about how much they respect the constitution yet were strangely almost silent for the last presidents term.
qft.
 
Old 04-18-2010, 12:23 AM
 
Location: Not where you ever lived
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Default You already have a state militia

OSP. Texas Rangers, ISP, etc.. they are all state militia. If you want to talk about a well trained and organized militia talk to Sheriff Joe. He has a vounteer posse of over 2,000.

Katrina follwed by Rita was an extraordinary event that nearly destroyed a very large city. it took the entire coast by surprise. An impetent governemnt that was not ready for a storm of this magniturde is to blame for many unncessary casualties. The head of Homeland security was not only clueless, he apparently didn't have the authorization to do anything except make excuses. And wait for Mr. Bush to make a decision.

By the time Houston was hit a couple of years later they were prepared, sounding alarms, called up the police and army reserves, and had emengency supplies of water, food and medical supplies ready to roll as soon as the storm downgraded and vehicles could travel. MY SIL is in security. He moved to a motel with his dogs for three days. As soon as the storm passed he was armed and on the ground working. . .

I had the privilege to talk with a group of unarmed Army Reservists who had just returned from Katrina. I asked them about the random shooting I saw on the news and if it had stopped.

Tnis is what they said. NO! They were sent down to NOLA to help collect the cadavers that were floating in the streets and tangled up in power lines, died in their houses, and ect. They were consistently harassed with gun fire to a point they were ordered out before someone was killed. I asked them why they thought that happened. They said you had to experience the devistation, the stench of the dead and rotting garbage and feces, and the heat to begin to appreciate what happened. Their was no power, no city services to privide drinking water or bathroom facilities, half the police force defected. The people who we were doing the shooting, they surmised, were most likely angry, homeless, hungry, dirty, and had lost one or more members of their family.

The guns were not being used to protect. This was not an armed militia and those guns needed to be collected to restore sanity and safety to a badly wounded city that was completely disorganized.

I was in NOLA two years later. It was like driving through a ghost town. There were people to be sure, but they were worried, silent, and scared of what the future might bring. I was there two hours and found three businesses onopen. Walgreen's, a gas station and a casino.


Volunteer militia has a place in history and a place at home to instill order to mob rule. Its function is not to start a civil war for self-serving purpose.

SPLC is the only site I know where a list of thugs and haters can be found. I don't want to return the south or any part of America back to the time where KKK openly met and killed, or the years when Hitler ruled Germany and wantonly killed. I think anyone who hates America that much should move to another country and trade democracy for real life under communism like Cuba, or a theocracy like Iran. There are a lot of places in this world for misfits and malcontents besides America.

I may not like the healh law, but I like America better than most of the options. I am not going to let some old windbag stir me into a frenzy where I do something foolish. The best place for everyone to show your unhappiness is in the voting booth, not behind a gunsight.

Be careful what you ask for. You might not like what you get.

The power brokers in The Beltway are not going to pay any more attention to the Tea party than they do a cur dog. There can be a million tea party members, but they are not in the halls, the bedrooms or the backroom in Congress making the deals and picking the party candidates. The people who want to hold their seat will disassociate with little fanfare.

The RNC is broken. The tea party is not going to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. The RNC needs a light to find its way back back to center.






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Actually it was the intent of the founders and authors of the Constitution that there only be state militias, as they are less likely to follow the orders of a tyrant against the people. For instance, you would be unlikely to see a group of locals illegally confiscating people's firearms like various groups did in New Orleans after hurricane katrina.

The Constitution intended to stop a standing army from existing by putting limits on how long a bill funding one could be in effect. That didn't work though. Imperialist ambitions in the 1890's and early 1900's by people like Theodore Roosevelt made a standing army necessary.

As of right now, several states have these state militias/defense forces/state guards, including Vermont and Alaska...so far, no bloody battles have erupted...you can't compare battles of the Revolution to today. It's an excellent idea to have a state guard when the national guard is overseas in such numbers, apart from the obvious benefit of locals being entirely involved and loyal only to their own state.

As for the SPLC...they listed the local Constitution Party as a right-wing extremist group. They've been sued in the past for libel by people they falsely accused of being racists. The SPLC is basically a bunch of leftist extremists who label everyone they disagree with as extremists, while trying to pretend they're still fighting the KKK like decades ago to rake in millions in donations.
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