[harshbarj]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

So then you'll drop this "they were born that way" nonsense?

Wow, you really are dence! There is scientific evidence to support the fact that gays are born that way. Now if you choose to be ignorant of that fact, that's your loss.

Originally Posted by Calvinist

Aren't we feeling superior today? What are you asking? AS it stands now, gay people have exactly the same marital rights as straight people. Do you not understand that?

No they don't. They can't marry the person they love. simple as that.

Originally Posted by Calvinist

Because no one is being denied anything based on their sexual practices?

I know this is hard for you to comprehend. You're just sitting there seething because I dare to oppose your view....I realize that. But again...marriage being based off of man/woman does not discriminate. The question of who or what you like to sleep with doesn't come up when you fill out a marriage app. We all have the exact same rules to abide by regardless of our sexual practices.

But the question is WHY limit it in such a way? There is no GOOD, I.E. non religious, reason to limit marriage in this way. Remember you can't expect others to live by YOUR religious views.

Originally Posted by Calvinist

Now....I'm signing off for the day. Lest Bosco declare victory based on sheer determination and persistence (certainly not coherent argument) I would like to excuse myself from this until tomorrow.

Bosco, and those of us saying your wrong, won a long time ago, your just stubborn and unwilling to see that.

[HandBanana]

Lol. How is this still dragging on over here?

[McBain II]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

So then you'll drop this "they were born that way" nonsense?

Sure, provided you're willing to submit to the overwhelming opinion of the scientific community (which has been well documented here) confirming it to not be a choice. Failing that, I'd be satisfied with your submission that whether it is choice or not is ultimately irrelevant.

Aren't we feeling superior today?

Debating with you tends to give me that feeling.

What are you asking?

I'm not asking you anything. I'm conveying facts to you. In this case, that would be the legal doctrine which governs these type of cases.

AS it stands now, gay people have exactly the same marital rights as straight people. Do you not understand that?

Because no one is being denied anything based on their sexual practices?

I know this is hard for you to comprehend. You're just sitting there seething because I dare to oppose your view....I realize that. But again...marriage being based off of man/woman does not discriminate. The question of who or what you like to sleep with doesn't come up when you fill out a marriage app. We all have the exact same rules to abide by regardless of our sexual practices.

And despite repeated challenges, you've failed to give an explanation for why the courts are allowing the respective parties to go to trial and argue the merits of denying gay rights if those rights are not actually being denied. Your cute but incorrect attempt to portray me as the illogical and emotional one is not going to work either.

[Calvinist]

Originally Posted by harshbarj

Wow, you really are dence! There is scientific evidence to support the fact that gays are born that way. Now if you choose to be ignorant of that fact, that's your loss.

So what? There is scientific evidence to support the idea that pedophiles are "born that way", too.

No they don't. They can't marry the person they love. simple as that.

I'm not guaranteed that right, either. Marriage law is oblivious to the issue of love.

But the question is WHY limit it in such a way? There is no GOOD, I.E. non religious, reason to limit marriage in this way. Remember you can't expect others to live by YOUR religious views.

At least none that you're willing to accept, right?

Bosco, and those of us saying your wrong, won a long time ago, your just stubborn and unwilling to see that.

I have yet to see you demonstrate that.

[Calvinist]

Originally Posted by Bosco55David

Sure, provided you're willing to submit to the overwhelming opinion of the scientific community (which has been well documented here) confirming it to not be a choice. Failing that, I'd be satisfied with your submission that whether it is choice or not is ultimately irrelevant.

As I just responded...so what? Is a pedophile excused because of his feelings? Are we mere animals that we are unable to overcome our base desires?

And despite repeated challenges, you've failed to give an explanation for why the courts are allowing the respective parties to go to trial and argue the merits of denying gay rights if those rights are not actually being denied. Your cute but incorrect attempt to portray me as the illogical and emotional one is not going to work either.

The courts are wrong. It's that simple. Liberal hack judges are ignoring the Constitution and are doing their own thing.

[harshbarj]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

So what? There is scientific evidence to support the idea that pedophiles are "born that way", too.

Why do you keep bringing up pedophiles? The two are not even remotely the same. One involves two consenting adults, the other involves a minor. One has no victims while the other clearly has one. Though I already know your going to say that's not important, so I don't know why I bother at this point.

Originally Posted by Calvinist

I'm not guaranteed that right, either. Marriage law is oblivious to the issue of love.

I'm done arguing this point, simple fact is these people ARE being denied the right to marry the person they love. Just as one time inter racial marriages were outlawed and even punishable by death in some places, this too shall pass and we ALL will be better because of it.

Originally Posted by Calvinist

At least none that you're willing to accept, right?

You have yet to demonstrate ANY non religious based argument. Not a one. I don't accept religious arguments as they can't be upheld in court.

Originally Posted by Calvinist

I have yet to see you demonstrate that.

Naturally, your blinded by your religious based bigotry. You ignore facts while holding on to bronze age ideas.

Originally Posted by Calvinist

The courts are wrong. It's that simple. Liberal hack judges are ignoring the Constitution and are doing their own thing.

Would you be saying they were wrong if they ruled the way you wanted? Somehow I think not. Also care to point out the part of the Constitution that deals with marriage as I missed that section .


Luckily in the end this is something that you WILL loose. With the majority of Americans now supporting gay marriage it's only a matter of time.

[DentalFloss]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

At least none that you're willing to accept, right? .

To date, I've yet to see you put forward one.

[McBain II]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

As I just responded...so what? Is a pedophile excused because of his feelings? Are we mere animals that we are unable to overcome our base desires?

When you can identify the victim in a consensual homosexual relationship between two adults, then your example will have weight. Until then, the compelling argument point stands and you have nothing.

The courts are wrong. It's that simple. Liberal hack judges are ignoring the Constitution and are doing their own thing.

You keep saying they are wrong, but you don't say why they are wrong. This is because your argument boils down to "they are wrong because I don't like their decision" rather than anything from a legal perspective.

[Omahahonors]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

As I just responded...so what? Is a pedophile excused because of his feelings? Are we mere animals that we are unable to overcome our base desires?


The courts are wrong. It's that simple. Liberal hack judges are ignoring the Constitution and are doing their own thing.

Judges that enforce freedom, despite the political pressure from the extreme religious right, is what America is all about. The founding of our nation revealed that this isn't a new concept American's must deal with. These 'liberal' judges have been protecting America from the forces of Tyranny, similar to the church of England, dating all the way back to the day the Declaration of Independence was written. They are merely protecting America from falling back to the strict socialist (monarchist) ideals you feel are needed to be forced on the livelihood of us all.

Your idea of a centralized church-law enforcement has been practiced for centuries and breaks many fundamental American rights like freedom of religion and no government intrusion. I hate to say it Calvinist, but you are the biggest socialist on this board.

[Calvinist]

Originally Posted by harshbarj

Why do you keep bringing up pedophiles? The two are not even remotely the same. One involves two consenting adults, the other involves a minor. One has no victims while the other clearly has one. Though I already know your going to say that's not important, so I don't know why I bother at this point.

Why are you not able to understand the argument? You realize I'm not comparing the actions of the 2, right? Are you just not able to comprehend that?

I'm making the argument that both groups argue that they're "born that way".

I'm done arguing this point, simple fact is these people ARE being denied the right to marry the person they love.

I don't have the "right to marry someone I love". So what exactly is your point?

You have yet to demonstrate ANY non religious based argument. Not a one. I don't accept religious arguments as they can't be upheld in court.

Your problem is that you're unable to accept ANY argument that disagrees with you.

Would you be saying they were wrong if they ruled the way you wanted? Somehow I think not. Also care to point out the part of the Constitution that deals with marriage as I missed that section .

I think they're wrong because they are ignoring the Constitution. That's it. You are correct, in that the Constitution really doesn't address marriage. So why are the lefties whining about their rights being supposedly trampled again?