[Calvinist]

Originally Posted by Omaha Rocks

That should read, "burning at the stake."

So let's talk briefly about Michael Servetus - a man who had the audacity to point out Calvin's anti-Biblical proposing of infant baptism.

On October 27, 1553, John "I'm acting just like Jesus" Calvin referred to Servetus as "villainous cur," and accused him of heresy. Calvin refused Servetus an advocate in court, and ordered that Servetus be burned at the stake, over green wood, so that it would take longer for him to die.

I have to wonder if John Calvin was wearing his "WWJD" bracelet that day.

He was wrong. What's the point? Is anyone here suggesting Calvin was right to do such a thing?

[Omaha Rocks]

Originally Posted by cultamerica

I do wish I had more time to devout to this thread due to my unsuccessful search for a church in Omaha.

Gee, there's a surprise! Haven't been able to find a church that has successfully burned heretics at the stake recently?

[Calvinist]

Originally Posted by Omaha Rocks

Gee, there's a surprise! Haven't been able to find a church that has successfully burned heretics at the stake recently?

Actually, I've done a bit more research on it, and have found conflicting points regarding it.


This article seems to indicate that Calvin had little to do with the actual trial/execution. Of course, seeing as how it's been a few hundred years, it's difficult at this time to get a firm grip on the exact events that happened.

http://www.up.ac.za/dspace/bitstream...%282002%29.pdf

[cultamerica]

There are several accounts of this event, what we would expect here is the version that paints Calvin as a horned creature. Now this version may be accurate, or it may be more evidence of Roman reconfiguration. I have heard it said that 5000 protestants were murdered by Rome during the inquisition, while 150,000 Roman Catholics were put to death by protestants.
I have also seen documentation which has Rome putting to death over 50 million non-papalists over the period of 605 years that Rome officially held to inquisitional standards of "justice". Burning at the stake was one of the more civil methods of death implemented by that "church" in those days by the way.
So which "facts" do you like? And if you choose the latter, as I do, then you may wonder if the popes were wearing their WWJD bracelet during these years?

[cultamerica]

I would say there is a modern burning of sorts, you will find it when arminian minded folk refer to Calvinist as heretics, and cultists with a smile on their faces.
"Had a man been an Arminian in those days he would have been accounted the vilest heretic breathing; but now we are looked upon as heretics, and they the orthadox." Charles Spurgeon

[cultamerica]

By the way, I will place one or two spelling errors per post out of compassion for those who are apparently unable to take on the actual substence of arguments posted. Call me sentimental.

[Omaha Rocks]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

He was wrong. What's the point? Is anyone here suggesting Calvin was right to do such a thing?

Calvin was wrong about a lot of things.

[Omaha Rocks]

Originally Posted by cultamerica

I would say there is a modern burning of sorts, you will find it when arminian minded folk refer to Calvinist as heretics, and cultists with a smile on their faces.
"Had a man been an Arminian in those days he would have been accounted the vilest heretic breathing; but now we are looked upon as heretics, and they the orthadox." Charles Spurgeon

So... Disagreeing with crazy hyperbolic rhetoric is the same as burning somebody at the steak [sic]? Interesting.

[cultamerica]

In a "free" society the art of silencing your critics will take many forms, in the society of old it was rather simpul, made even more so when the world was teeming with sycophants, and shills to power, (some things never change). Persecution usually starts with words and then progresses.
Still not willing to take on a more challenging role than painting Calvin as the son of Set, or spell check extraordinaire? What of the issues, what of TULIP? Wouldn't you like to wade into a little deeper water?? I won't hold my breath, but I will continue to count on you for that spell check part.

[Omaha Rocks]

Originally Posted by cultamerica

In a "free" society the art of silencing your critics will take many forms, in the society of old it was rather simpul, made even more so when the world was teeming with sycophants, and shills to power, (some things never change). Persecution usually starts with words and then progresses.
Still not willing to take on a more challenging role than painting Calvin as the son of Set, or spell check extraordinaire? What of the issues, what of TULIP? Wouldn't you like to wade into a little deeper water?? I won't hold my breath, but I will continue to count on you for that spell check part.

So we know that John Calvin was a hateful, murderous man that did not resemble Jesus in the way he behaved. Check.

But about TULIP... So what you believe is that God chooses those who go to heaven and those who go to hell, it is predestined, and there's nothing we can do about it. Right?