How Can An Englishman Move To America? (Orange, London: apartment, rent)

[YLresident]

Originally Posted by dsuday

I am from India on a H1B (Engineering Degree). US welcomes people whom they think can add value to their country (hope I am doing that)...
Lot of my friends back home are more likely are interested in opportunties in UK than in US because of more rupees which can be earnt against a pound in comparision to dollar (and falling dollar is not helping)

But I prefered US over Europe (lived in Copenhagen/Oslo for 6 months), the shared values and Ideas which most of us Indians have with US (democratic values) make me feel right at home here. Also I am able to retain my culture and still integrate into Mainstream here (which i felt was not very possible in Europe).

Typically a guy from Western Hemisphere has it easier than from those of us from East. But if education is limiting you I suggest you complete your degree...or apply for a Student Visa in a State university here (with scholarship) and you can have a better life here..

I second the student Visa... then you can stay for an extended visit in the US and know for sure whether you would want to uproot permanently or just return with a degree to boost your marketability back home. Perhaps you'd be able to find a job once your here as a student that might be willing to sponsor you... or maybe you'll meet the love of your life and get married and get to stay that way. ^_^

[mikemoseley]

The thing that worries me about England these days is that crime is becoming more popular amongst middle/upper class communities as opposed to lower income/council estates. I hope not to sound too prejudice there but its proven that there will always be more crime where people steal things that they couldn't necessarily afford themselves or to pay for something they need.

But in the more wealthy communities it is becoming more common for these things to happen due to us all being desensitised to crime in general. Its like we aren't bothered anymore. The news the other day had a 1 minute breaking top stories that went something like: 'A man was stabbed to death in Liverpool repeatedly and died shortly after, police say there was no motive' Followed immediately by 'A talking cat has been discovered in Glossop according the locals which just might be best thing to scare the birds away'.

I can see how the tragic murder fits right in with the wishful hope talking cats will scare away birds. Like its nothing that a man died at the hands of someone who still walks the streets that we live in.

I have had the philosophy most of my life that is if you work hard and stay out of trouble and care for all those around you, only the good things in life await you. But in England the hard work is exploited to provide for the people who take the freedom/benefits that we provide for them and spit it back in our faces only for us to recycle it again. I am loosing faith in my philosophy.

Like someone said in a previous post America is a place where the hard working person gets paid and i guess will result in being the upper class. In England the hard worker is the middle class and so is the person who doesnt work at all.

[Hollie Davis]

Helloo
my name is Hollie and i also want to live in america wen im 21 the best way to be able to live there is the sponsorship. the best way is to go there for a month or so and ask for a sponsorship face to face instead of over the fone, its more professional. also you can offer to work for a week without pay to show what you can do for there company.

[DannyBanany]

Originally Posted by mikemoseley

The thing that worries me about England these days is that crime is becoming more popular amongst middle/upper class communities as opposed to lower income/council estates. I hope not to sound too prejudice there but its proven that there will always be more crime where people steal things that they couldn't necessarily afford themselves or to pay for something they need.

But in the more wealthy communities it is becoming more common for these things to happen due to us all being desensitised to crime in general. Its like we aren't bothered anymore. The news the other day had a 1 minute breaking top stories that went something like: 'A man was stabbed to death in Liverpool repeatedly and died shortly after, police say there was no motive' Followed immediately by 'A talking cat has been discovered in Glossop according the locals which just might be best thing to scare the birds away'.

I can see how the tragic murder fits right in with the wishful hope talking cats will scare away birds. Like its nothing that a man died at the hands of someone who still walks the streets that we live in.

I have had the philosophy most of my life that is if you work hard and stay out of trouble and care for all those around you, only the good things in life await you. But in England the hard work is exploited to provide for the people who take the freedom/benefits that we provide for them and spit it back in our faces only for us to recycle it again. I am loosing faith in my philosophy.

Like someone said in a previous post America is a place where the hard working person gets paid and i guess will result in being the upper class. In England the hard worker is the middle class and so is the person who doesnt work at all.

I can understand why you would want to come to America. It is a WONDERFUL nation with every and any commodity you would ever need or want, but if your reason for leaving the UK is crime you may want to rethink on America.

[mikemoseley]

I had not replied to this post in ages i completely forgot about it. I found a new job here in england and it pays in dollars 14,000 more a year which for me is helping me out a lot. Still i search for more though. I have to find a way. I almost feel desperate as each time i go out in public now there are so many more young people with children and they are wearing nicer clothes than me!

I think some may have had them bought for them or they work etc but sometimes i feel like *Hey i paid for that* and they just spit nothing but cold hard attitude in my face when i look at them. I stil havent found a way to get into the US legally. I might just go tralling around for woman who are looking for a single guy and marry them! :P

[internat]

I like the spirit of wanting to improve your life. However, you also need to feel content. Otherwise you might never feel happy. In the materialistic societies we live in it's difficult to find a balance between feeling content and wanting more all the time. I'm afraid you will head towards a negative spiral if you continue to compare yourself to others. There will always be someone who has something you don't have.

Originally Posted by mikemoseley

I had not replied to this post in ages i completely forgot about it. I found a new job here in england and it pays in dollars 14,000 more a year which for me is helping me out a lot. Still i search for more though. I have to find a way. I almost feel desperate as each time i go out in public now there are so many more young people with children and they are wearing nicer clothes than me!

[internat]

I think that is an interesting observation. People in England are class-obsessed. There's not much social mobility. You're born into a class.

In the USA you also have other important factors such as educational attainment, income and prestige of certain professions. Those you can do something about. You cannot chose your parents.

It's also generally a difference between the old and the new world. I do think even in USA there's an element of mannerisms involved. I doubt many people would consider Donald Trump upper class. It's not all wealth. To me you can lose all your money and still remain upper class.

Originally Posted by mikemoseley

Like someone said in a previous post America is a place where the hard working person gets paid and i guess will result in being the upper class.

[denverian]

Originally Posted by mikemoseley

Thanks so much for that info! Well I do not have a degree in anything no but if that is what i needed to move over to the US then I will do that.

Its really upsetting for me as i can understand America looking at people trying to come in without qualification for instance i have college education with business studies and ICT qualifications. Its not much but i quit for a well paid job. Some feel though that I will not be qualified enough because of lack of qualifications on paper which is a real shame for me.

Ok new idea. Is there any way I can work there legally of course without having a degree? I guess that as the work i will be doing such as customer service/telecommunications, laboring, bar work, public sector or working in retail, is sort of seen as affecting the opportunities of the American citizen though which is where the skilled worker category comes into play for someone like me to get into a country like the US.

Any loopholes?

Well, with any of those professions, you won't be able to afford to live indoors in Orange County, or anywhere else desireable in California. It's very expensive. If you're single and 21, I wouldn't recommend Orange County unless you surf and lived in Huntington Beach. It's not a great place to be young and single.

What don't you like aobut the U.K.? I've been there many times and always enjoyed it an the people.

[denverian]

Originally Posted by A Proud American

Why would I want to do that? Living in the USA is far more lucrative and rewarding.

I've lived and worked in Germany for 3 years, and one thing I learned: The U.S. is not the center of the universe and all Europeans don't envy Americans. I saw clean, safe cities, a strong middle class that lived well and very little poverty. I actually enjoy the European lifestyle over the typical American lifestyle of excess.

Just because you're smart and educated in the country doesn't mean you'll make enough money to live in a big house and feed a family. Far from it anymore. With a bachelor's degree, what's the average salary? Probably not over $40K. That's why both parents have to work in most families. To be rich in the U.S. usually means you're taking advantage of and stepping on what's left of the middle class.

[denverian]

Originally Posted by A Proud American

I second that emotion. Great place to visit, gorgeous scenery and lots of interesting history. The people are friendlier than I expected, as well. But living under socialism is no fun if you're part of the small percentage of residents who actually contribute to the GDP.

Socialist? You're too funny. I take it you're a Rush "Drugged Myself Deaf" Limbaugh fan? I've lived in Europe and the majority of people aren't sitting at home on welfare.

If you're so against "socialism", hopefully you're refuse your Social Security checks, refuse Medicaid, not request fire or police services, never use a library, not use public roads, not use public parks, never use unemployment assistance, etc.