Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death (crimes, professionals)

[Harrier]

Originally Posted by Shredding_Gnar78

I lived in Orange County for 25 years or so. Had my rights violated many times over.

Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter

And we are glad your criminal ass is out of OC too. I've lived in Orange County over 25 years too and have never even talked to a policeman because I don't do anything that brings me into contact with them.

Really?

What types of things might those be?

The following is a short list of the activities in which Harrier has been engaged in that have brought him in contact with the cops in both Orange and Los Angeles County during the past 20 years.

- Sitting on a bus bench at 7 A.M. waiting for a bus and reading a Tom Clancy novel.

- Walking along Anaheim Boulevard between Lincoln and La Palma to catch the bus.

- Waiting at a bus stop at Katella and Beach with several other people who were doing the same thing - Harrier was somewhat removed from the rest of the crowd and reading his book, and the cop singled him out. Harrier told the cop that he had a bus to catch and got on the bus.

- Riding his bicycle to the library(Harrier asked the cop if he was being detained, and the cop said he just wanted to ask Harrier a few questions. Harrier got back on his bike and rode away).

- Observing a kidnapping investigation in progress(the cop told Harrier that it was a kidnapping investigation after Harrier had asked him what questioning a man wearing a dress shirt and slacks and riding a bicycle along Kraemer Avenue in Placentia had to do with their investigation).

- Walking home from work along railroad tracks as a shortcut to get home in time to study for a college class final later that evening.

- Leaving his place of employment to walk across a parking lot and sit in his car for his 15 minute break.

- Reading a newspaper and drinking a beer inside a bar(are you beginning to see a theme here - it appears that cops are suspicious of anyone who reads).

- Walking from his place of employment to the bus stop(a few hundred yards).

- Standing at a bus terminal waiting for a bus.

- Walking home with a backpack full of books.

- Walking home without a backpack.

- Walking along a major road.

Harrier could go on - but you should get the idea now.

Harrier was doing normal, non-criminal things, and the cops harassed him.

Apparently reading a book, riding a bicycle, walking, waiting for a bus, or drinking a beer in a bar while reading(Harrier once read the Bible in a bar while enjoying a Budweiser) are enough reason a reason for the cops to detain someone.

Harrier doesn't see how when someone says that their rights have been violated many times, that this makes them a "criminal ass".

The criminals are the cops violating those rights.

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[Teckeeee]

Originally Posted by Aldous9

Yeah. But it doesn't seem like the average American is that concerned. I think people in this country are too distracted to pay attention or even care. The vast majority in this country are worked like slaves, get very little vacation time if any(or at least are discouraged from taking it), spend their leisure in front of the TV watching stupid low culture programs, and seem shockingly gullible when it comes to falling for political propaganda.

Well stated, and succinct

[Teckeeee]

I just moved back, wow, sad and disgusting. Having worked with the mentally ill I could say a lot on these issues.

About 30 years ago society decided it was inhumane to put mentally ill people in mental hospitals so we mainstreamed almost all of them. Now it's freedom or confrontations with the cops and prison.

Look up the percentage of people in prison that are mentally ill, it's much higher than you think.

From a purely objective standpoint why can't the cops be made to put him in a straitjacket or restraint chair. I saw what appeared to be 3 cops. I have submitted violently out of control psych patients with me and one guy. The worst I ever had to do was put the guy in a headlock while my co worker held his legs while he was escorted to the quiet room.

Where is the ACLU on this?

Finally what the cops did is murder. If they knew him so well they knew he didn't need to be beaten to death. This man wasn't charging someone with an ax he was just sitting there talking to them. So what he resists arrest so do a lot of drunks every weekend. Maybe we should beat them to death to for refusing arrest.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by Harrier

Really?

What types of things might those be?

The following is a short list of the activities in which Harrier has been engaged in that have brought him in contact with the cops in both Orange and Los Angeles County during the past 20 years.

- Sitting on a bus bench at 7 A.M. waiting for a bus and reading a Tom Clancy novel.

- Walking along Anaheim Boulevard between Lincoln and La Palma to catch the bus.

- Waiting at a bus stop at Katella and Beach with several other people who were doing the same thing - Harrier was somewhat removed from the rest of the crowd and reading his book, and the cop singled him out. Harrier told the cop that he had a bus to catch and got on the bus.

- Riding his bicycle to the library(Harrier asked the cop if he was being detained, and the cop said he just wanted to ask Harrier a few questions. Harrier got back on his bike and rode away).

- Observing a kidnapping investigation in progress(the cop told Harrier that it was a kidnapping investigation after Harrier had asked him what questioning a man wearing a dress shirt and slacks and riding a bicycle along Kraemer Avenue in Placentia had to do with their investigation).

- Walking home from work along railroad tracks as a shortcut to get home in time to study for a college class final later that evening.

- Leaving his place of employment to walk across a parking lot and sit in his car for his 15 minute break.

- Reading a newspaper and drinking a beer inside a bar(are you beginning to see a theme here - it appears that cops are suspicious of anyone who reads).

- Walking from his place of employment to the bus stop(a few hundred yards).

- Standing at a bus terminal waiting for a bus.

- Walking home with a backpack full of books.

- Walking home without a backpack.

- Walking along a major road.

Harrier could go on - but you should get the idea now.

Harrier was doing normal, non-criminal things, and the cops harassed him.

Apparently reading a book, riding a bicycle, walking, waiting for a bus, or drinking a beer in a bar while reading(Harrier once read the Bible in a bar while enjoying a Budweiser) are enough reason a reason for the cops to detain someone.

Harrier doesn't see how when someone says that their rights have been violated many times, that this makes them a "criminal ass".

The criminals are the cops violating those rights.

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Great post.

OC law enforcement's heavy handed approach to doing its job - and its disregard for civil liberties and basic human dignity - is what turns many people off to OC.

Sadly this thread has shown several OC residents defending one of the worst aspects of life in OC, and coming off like they are living in a bubble.

[Harrier]

Originally Posted by majoun

Great post.

OC law enforcement's heavy handed approach to doing its job - and its disregard for civil liberties and basic human dignity - is what turns many people off to OC.

Sadly this thread has shown several OC residents defending one of the worst aspects of life in OC, and coming off like they are living in a bubble.

Thank you for your support.

Harrier hopes that some OC bootlickers learn the truth that their "heroes" are engaged in, and stop justifying the criminal actions of Ramos, Cicicnelli, and Wolfe.

[Fontucky]

Harrier, what is it about you that attracts the attention of cops? Are you black? Because that attracts them in OC.

[Harrier]

Originally Posted by Fontucky

Harrier, what is it about you that attracts the attention of cops? Are you black? Because that attracts them in OC.

Harrier is "white", but he uses that term reluctantly, because race is a social construct that is meaningless.

Even if Harrier were "black", what difference would that make?

Harrier is a human being of Irish, German, English, and Swedish ancestry.

On any government or pre-employment questionnaire, Harrier states that he is an American.

Harrier has been harassed by "white", "black", and "Hispanic" cops - and the "black" cop worked in Orange County.

[Mr. Opinionated]

Originally Posted by Aldous9

Yeah. But it doesn't seem like the average American is that concerned. I think people in this country are too distracted to pay attention or even care. The vast majority in this country are worked like slaves, get very little vacation time if any(or at least are discouraged from taking it), spend their leisure in front of the TV watching stupid low culture programs, and seem shockingly gullible when it comes to falling for political propaganda.

I agree. Things like this are inreasing at such a rate where we might be desensitized. If we experience anything often enough, we become bored, addicted or both.

[Fontucky]

Originally Posted by Harrier

Even if Harrier were "black", what difference would that make?

You'd have to ask Irvine cops that question.

[TimTheEnchanter]

Originally Posted by majoun

So you're saying that Thomas' parents should've done what Ramos and Ciccinelli did?

I am saying Thomas should not have been on the streets. His family should have acted to have him declared incompetent and put him in treatment, and him institutionalized until he was stable.

Originally Posted by Harrier

Really?

What types of things might those be?

The following is a short list of the activities in which Harrier has been engaged in that have brought him in contact with the cops in both Orange and Los Angeles County during the past 20 years......

Call me cynical, but in the past 40 years or so between LA & O counties, I've done all those things; reading, walking, bike riding, walking along train tracks and never, ever been stopped by a policeman to be asked what I was doing. There is not enough time in a policeman's day to stop and talk to every person reading, walking and bike riding so I have to believe that their something that Harrier is doing differently to draw attention.

Originally Posted by Colorado xxxxx

I just moved back, wow, sad and disgusting. Having worked with the mentally ill I could say a lot on these issues.

About 30 years ago society decided it was inhumane to put mentally ill people in mental hospitals so we mainstreamed almost all of them. Now it's freedom or confrontations with the cops and prison.

Where is the ACLU on this?

It wasn't "society" that decided it was inhumane to put people in hospitals, no one voted for releasing everyone, it was people like the ACLU who sued for the "civil rights" of the mentally ill and their right to refuse medication.