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Old 05-22-2015, 08:25 AM
 
Location: OC/LA
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Mbell seems to be wrong ad usual. What a shocker.

As others have said, Santa Ana crime is quite normal compared to many cities in the Midwest South or East coast.

I've lived in St Louis and then Milwaukee before coming out here. Mbell's only thinks it's the biggest dump known to mankind because she's never actually lived in a bad area. Pretty hard to be objective when you have no experience.
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Old 05-22-2015, 10:43 AM
 
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Education is not a high mark in Santa Ana. Percentage of people without a high school diploma according to homefacts.com:

Santa Ana = 45%
Anaheim = 26%
Costa Mesa = 15%
Orange = 14%
Fullerton = 12%
Irvine = 3%
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Old 05-22-2015, 12:09 PM
 
Location: OC/LA
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1) And the price of tea in China is...?
2) Are you surprised?
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Old 05-22-2015, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Irvine, California
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Education is not a high mark in Santa Ana. Percentage of people without a high school diploma according to homefacts.com:

Santa Ana = 45%
Anaheim = 26%
Costa Mesa = 15%
Orange = 14%
Fullerton = 12%
Irvine = 3%
That's the entire reason I wouldn't live there. If the schools were on par with the rest of OC I might consider it, but you can rent in Huntington Beach for similar prices and have far superior public schools.
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Old 05-22-2015, 02:12 PM
 
Location: OC/LA
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That's the entire reason I wouldn't live there. If the schools were on par with the rest of OC I might consider it, but you can rent in Huntington Beach for similar prices and have far superior public schools.
Yeah I don't have any kids and probably won't for 3+ years. I'm thinking of buying a condo first anyways and then once schools become important move into a house.
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Old 05-22-2015, 05:49 PM
 
Location: O.C.
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Well the numbers and statistics don't lie. The southeast is full of cities with even lower populations that make Santa Ana look like the Garden of Eden. In Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama, or Florida there are towns of 50-100k that have much higher crime rates, and most of them don't even have gangs to worry about.

I know that by comparison to the rest of Orange County the kind of stuff you're describing is shock and awe, but in many parts of the country where houses in the "ghetto" don't cost 400k and don't have swimming pools in the backyard, it's pretty standard stuff if you live in a poor area to deal with violent crime on a regular basis.

Here's a couple of examples:

Santa Ana had 11 murders in 2012, with a population of give or take 330k.

Jackson, Mississippi has a population of ~175k and had 66.

https://www.city-data.com/city/Jackson-Mississippi.html

Santa Ana has an overall crime rate of 230.9 by City Data's rankings. This puts it well below the national average of 301.

Marietta, GA (the town I lived in before moving here) has a population of 59k, and a crime rate of 368, almost 50% higher than that of Santa Ana, and it's considered nice.

https://www.city-data.com/city/Marietta-Georgia.html

Bessemer, Alabama is a suburb a few miles west of Birmingham. It has a population of only 27k. Its crime rate is 1150 vs. Santa Ana's 230 with 330K people.

https://www.city-data.com/city/Bessemer-Alabama.html

And I could go on and on all up and down the East Coast if you wish.

Santa Ana is bad, sure. But it's bad by Orange County standards. The average crime rate in the United States is 301. Santa Ana is 230. Santa Ana is safer than the average American city by a longshot. Granted, I still maintain that I wouldn't personally live there because, you're right, it is a bad area, but it's just not mathematically possible for it to be the blood-drenched hellhole you make it out to be.

Nice one, picking cities with a very large number of African Americans and low income households to prove your point. I see what you did there. I can cherry pick dozens and dozens of cities across the country with violent crime rates half of Santa Ana's where they have zero gang activity.
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Old 05-22-2015, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Irvine, California
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Nice one, picking cities with a very large number of African Americans and low income households to prove your point. I see what you did there. I can cherry pick dozens and dozens of cities across the country with violent crime rates half of Santa Ana's where they have zero gang activity.
"Low income" is relative. Santa Ana is "low income" as well, isn't that your entire beef with it?

But to your point:

Akron, OH: 200k people, 61% white, 539 crime rate to Santa Ana's 230 https://www.city-data.com/city/Akron-Ohio.html

Pittsburgh, PA: 305k people, 65% white, 358 crime rate to Santa Ana's 230 https://www.city-data.com/city/Pittsb...nsylvania.html

Worcester, MA (MA!!!!!) : 182k people, 59% white, 426 crime rate to Santa Ana's 230 https://www.city-data.com/city/Worces...achusetts.html

Would you like to continue this...?? Are you only going to accept evidence that supports your already pre-supposed outcome, or do I need to keep owning your racist face all over this thread?

Last edited by RG1981; 05-22-2015 at 08:24 PM..
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Old 05-22-2015, 09:52 PM
 
Location: OC/LA
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Nice one, picking cities with a very large number of African Americans and low income households to prove your point. I see what you did there. I can cherry pick dozens and dozens of cities across the country with violent crime rates half of Santa Ana's where they have zero gang activity.
Oh no! Not African Americans!!!
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Old 05-23-2015, 10:04 AM
 
Location: O.C.
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"Low income" is relative. Santa Ana is "low income" as well, isn't that your entire beef with it?

But to your point:

Akron, OH: 200k people, 61% white, 539 crime rate to Santa Ana's 230 https://www.city-data.com/city/Akron-Ohio.html

Pittsburgh, PA: 305k people, 65% white, 358 crime rate to Santa Ana's 230 https://www.city-data.com/city/Pittsb...nsylvania.html

Worcester, MA (MA!!!!!) : 182k people, 59% white, 426 crime rate to Santa Ana's 230 https://www.city-data.com/city/Worces...achusetts.html

Would you like to continue this...?? Are you only going to accept evidence that supports your already pre-supposed outcome, or do I need to keep owning your racist face all over this thread?
...and like I said, I can find dozens of cities with much lower crime rates than Santa Ana. Unlike your argument listing cities with a low population, I'll make it more challenging for myself and make them large cities with a population over 200k. Heck, I'll even use your same source, which is incorrect and outdated by the way. Santa Ana's current crime rate is 361, not 230 like it was in three years ago in 2012 thanks to the rise in gang shootings and homicides over the last few years. But anyhow...

Plano, TX: 274k population, 160 crime rate to SAs 230
https://www.city-data.com/city/Plano-Texas.html

Henderson, NV: 270k population, 155 crime rate
https://www.city-data.com/city/Henderson-Nevada.html

Virginia Beach, VA: 448k population, crime rate 185
https://www.city-data.com/city/Virgin...-Virginia.html

Scottsdale, AZ: 227k population, crime rate 172
https://www.city-data.com/city/Scottsdale-Arizona.html

Fremont, CA: 225k population, crime rate 150
https://www.city-data.com/city/Fremont-California.html

If I went population under 200k, I could list hundreds of cities with crime rates lower than Santa Ana. We can play this all day....
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Old 05-23-2015, 11:41 AM
 
Location: OC/LA
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...and like I said, I can find dozens of cities with much lower crime rates than Santa Ana. Unlike your argument listing cities with a low population, I'll make it more challenging for myself and make them large cities with a population over 200k. Heck, I'll even use your same source, which is incorrect and outdated by the way. Santa Ana's current crime rate is 361, not 230 like it was in three years ago in 2012 thanks to the rise in gang shootings and homicides over the last few years. But anyhow...

Plano, TX: 274k population, 160 crime rate to SAs 230
https://www.city-data.com/city/Plano-Texas.html

Henderson, NV: 270k population, 155 crime rate
https://www.city-data.com/city/Henderson-Nevada.html

Virginia Beach, VA: 448k population, crime rate 185
https://www.city-data.com/city/Virgin...-Virginia.html

Scottsdale, AZ: 227k population, crime rate 172
https://www.city-data.com/city/Scottsdale-Arizona.html

Fremont, CA: 225k population, crime rate 150
https://www.city-data.com/city/Fremont-California.html

If I went population under 200k, I could list hundreds of cities with crime rates lower than Santa Ana. We can play this all day....
Now make sure they have the same HH income level. Thx

Also, try and add in some more bigoted comments about African Americans. That was priceless.
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