Our new President Trump in OC, CA tomorrow at OC Fairgrounds! (taxes, law)

[ysr_racer]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

I am likewise enjoying the show. But I disagree there are no quality candidates. Kasich and Sanders are each quality guys with high popularity and approval ratings.

When Sanders talks about "free this" and "free that", you know there's no such thing as "free", right? Somebody always had to pay for it.

Likewise, when he and Hillary start comparing America to European countries. Why would I want America to devolve to the level of most European countries?

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by ysr_racer

When Sanders talks about "free this" and "free that", you know there's no such thing as "free", right? Somebody always had to pay for it.

Well, yes, absolutely correct. And in the case of Sanders' platform, who is expected to now step up to the plate and pay are those persons and entities that have benefited most from making the middle class pay out their noses in recent decades. Examples? Corporations who thrive through low taxation rates (far lower than they paid during the Reagan years) and loopholes, and who pay minimum wages that force workers to rely on welfare while the corporations rake in and accumulate, and sequester, massive wealth while you and I scratch our butts wondering where our undershorts went.

Originally Posted by ysr_racer

Likewise, when he and Hillary start comparing America to European countries. Why would I want America to devolve to the level of most European countries?

It's not really a question of what you want. It's an issue of when are you going to realize that the developed world increasingly relies on socially progressive policy to support its populations - because there is no alternative for 7 billion people to live free on the range under the stars with holsters and pistols strapped to their hips like lonesome cowboys. I would prefer that myself. It ain't happening. Look at your health care bills in the last 30 years or so, ysr? Costs for your kids to get competitive educations and buy homes?

Welcome to European social democracy. Coming to a country near you, right now. Like it or not.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Well, yes, absolutely correct. And in the case of Sanders' platform, who is expected to now step up to the plate and pay are those persons and entities that have benefited most from making the middle class pay out their noses in recent decades. Examples? Corporations who thrive through low taxation rates (far lower than they paid during the Reagan years) and loopholes, and who pay minimum wages that force workers to rely on welfare while the corporations rake in and accumulate, and sequester, massive wealth while you and I scratch our butts wondering where our undershorts went.

It's not really a question of what you want. It's an issue of when are you going to realize that the developed world increasingly relies on socially progressive policy to support its populations - because there is no alternative for 7 billion people to live free on the range under the stars with holsters and pistols strapped to their hips like lonesome cowboys. I would prefer that myself. It ain't happening. Look at your health care bills in the last 30 years or so, ysr? Costs for your kids to get competitive educations and buy homes?

Welcome to European social democracy. Coming to a country near you, right now. Like it or not.

You want to be Denmark but with a gigantic military as well as with the non stop in flow of vast numbers of legal immigrants, many poor, and many illegal immigrants who you no doubt want to legalize and then permit them to petition for more family members. Now that's funny.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

You want to be Denmark but with a gigantic military as well as with the non stop in flow of vast numbers of legal immigrants, many poor, and many illegal immigrants who you no doubt want to legalize and then permit them to petition for more family members. Now that's funny.

Lol. Luv, you are funny. Often. Quote what I said that makes you portray me as you do. Take note, in particular, the detail in the last post about what I said I personally prefer.

Do you not understand the difference between day dreaming ideologies and rational observations of realities?

[denverian]

Originally Posted by quixotic59

Please make it clear you speak for yourself. The isolationist ideas you cite reflect the political ignorance I mentioned previously.

Denying the global community exists and that a country must be part of it to be successful is just not realistic. Traditional military "strength" means almost nothing in this world as has been repeatedly demonstrated. Damage can be inflicted in many ways, not the least of which (by far) is financially. If America does not play well with others we will find ourselves out of the game.

Trump is a geopolitical infant and looked upon as an idiot by the world leaders he must be able to work with as president. His bluster outside of the campaign trail is his biggest liability, second to his blinding ignorance about almost everything. His wealth is a result of positioning by his father's money and his glaringly unscrupulous business tactics. He appeals to the lowest common denominator because he speaks as one of them. That is not what makes an effective president.

Railing against intelligence because one is intimidated by it does not make one's position a legitimate one.

Truth!!

[denverian]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Blah blah blah, ignorance, blah blah blah. I am far from ignorant about foreign and military affairs. Let's leave it at that.

Yet you've fallen for Trump

[denverian]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

I am not sure the source of this information, as 'mutt doesn't tell us. In any case, let me make a couple things clear:

1) The national media is tremendously opposed to Trump (this includes so-called news media outlets, comedy shows, etc.);
2) The GOP establishment is tremendously opposed to Trump and has run millions of dollars of ads against him;
3) The DNC establishment is tremendously opposed to Trump and is working feverishly to besmirch his reputation.

Do you suppose this has anything to do with these unfavorable ratings?

We support this candidate not because we agree with every issue. First, he cannot be bought by money. We also support him because the GOP has indeed become a joke. The issues that matter are where Trump trumps: Immigration, [unfair] trade (a concept I no longer support as it is now, a foreign policy that puts America's interest first and makes dependent allies pay and ensures we act only in our interest(s) - wars are a no no unless in OUR interest and last, the necessary strengthening of our military. These are the reasons why we support him. We want America to be feared and admired, not loved. To hell with the old altruistic internationalist/interventionalist American foreign policy. I do not support crap like making Egypt much-less Afghanistan a democracy.

Perhaps they're all able to see what a self serving pig and danger to the country that is and you're not.

[ysr_racer]

The major difference between America and most European countries is twofold.

One, most European countries don't share a border with a county that sends it's worst, uneducated citizens over in droves. Some refuse to learn the language, some tax the system to its limits.

Two, most European countries don't have a former slave population that's still encouraged by their leaders to wallow in self pity, and continue to play the victim card, long after the victimisation has ended.

I can't think of any European county I'd like America to be more like. Most of them have high employment, high taxes, low GNP, and vast numbers of people working for the government.

No thanks.

While most countries are moving away from socialism, we seem to be moving toward it.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by ysr_racer

The major difference between America and most European countries is twofold.

One, most European countries don't share a border with a county that sends it's worst, uneducated citizens over in droves. Some refuse to learn the language, some tax the system to its limits.

Two, most European countries don't have a former slave population that's still encouraged by their leaders to wallow in self pity, and continue to play the victim card, long after the victimisation has ended.

I can't think of any European county I'd like America to be more like. Most of them have high employment, high taxes, low GNP, and vast numbers of people working for the government.

No thanks.

While most countries are moving away from socialism, we seem to be moving toward it.

European countries have it far worse than the United States. They (collectively) border or are near some of the most regressive places on the planet. By comparison, Latin American is Shangri-La. They are being flooded by immigrants from countries whose religion was and is a direct civilizational rival to the West. They will not integrate...ever. Our Hispanics, by contrast, are normal decent people with the same general values we share.

[ysr_racer]

You may share values with them, I don't.