10-18-2016, 09:59 PM
Location: Liberal Coast
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LuvSouthOC
Good points. I think; however, people need to realize that places like coastal SoCal are highly competitive and people are willing to sacrifice (or are forced to get money from a source other than income, e.g. parents, etc.).
People do realize that. What you're seeing is millennials pushing back at constantly being denigrated. We're all lazy, ungrateful, entitled brats to some people for thinking that a person who is well educated and has a very good job should have to rent a room, drive a beater, and basically have no life. My husband and I happen to live extremely cheaply after leaving CA (by choice), but that doesn't make us less ungrateful than those who don't. We don't have college degrees and work hard for what we have, but we don't look to others who went to college as lazy.
If enough millennials leave the area, it is in for a world of hurt eventually. The region will have a hard time sustaining itself with only older people.
10-18-2016, 10:03 PM
Location: 89434
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This is the new norm on the coast and will not change. It isn't just OC either, but every popular location.
Not just in OC but it's more of a nationwide problem. Millenials can only get McWage jobs and can't afford anything.
10-18-2016, 11:03 PM
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CaliRestoration
You could save money. With an $80k salary, there's no reason you can't save $25,000 a year. On a $500,000 condo, you could save the down payment in 4 years.
Why can't you save money?
I'm guessing you missed this:
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Originally Posted by
man4857
decent house in the OC is approaching on AVERAGE, $650K , or am I not educated enough...
And this:
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Originally Posted by
man4857
(following the rule of thumb 3x your annual salary), or else you'll be house poor and stuck with a mortgage until I die like everyone else.
Your example assumes OP is looking for a $500,000 condo.
Also, even with the saved down payment, that's still 5 times the OP's annual salary, not 3x. Still house poor.
10-19-2016, 01:16 AM
Location: Leaving Phoenix and Snobsdale
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CaliRestoration
No it wouldn't. There are plenty of people who live in OC perfectly fine on 80k.
Or even $40,000. The quality of life in the oc and the nicer personalities, more laid back people, makes it worth the extra cost. Plus, jobs are unionized and pay more. And you don't have the annoying trust funders in Snobsdale. You also don't have nearly the drug problem as Phoenix and Scottsdale.
10-19-2016, 01:22 AM
Location: Leaving Phoenix and Snobsdale
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Yes, it SHOULD be but it's not by design. Liberal states don't WANT people that work for a living to be there. They want the 1%, and the poor. The middle class including the upper middle is an inconvenience to them.
Absolutely correct.
Same is true of metropolitan Phoenix. It is run by the Democrat party with a 33 billion light rail project. Area restricts growth so there are not enough grocery stores or walmarts in many areas. Streets are not maintained. Crime is escalating rapidly.
Also the medical care in Phoenix is for the rich since many docs refuse to take Medicare including the Mayo Clinic of Minnesota who has a branch here. So much for the Minnesota nice in Phoenix.
Orange County from my research and when I visited is worth the premium. I don't know about LA.
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10-19-2016, 02:56 AM
Location: Phoenix
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I have news from a Baby Boomer, OC has been expensive my entire adult life, this is not new. Best now to sit and wait out the next time the bubble pops to buy something cheaper...otherwise, bring gold and silver.
10-19-2016, 03:08 AM
Location: Leaving Phoenix and Snobsdale
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I have news from a Baby Boomer, OC has been expensive my entire adult life, this is not new. Best now to sit and wait out the next time the bubble pops to buy something cheaper...otherwise, bring gold and silver.
I think from orange county down to LA Jolla is a great place for a young person such as myself, from a declining Democrat run slum such as Phoenix, to move to and be among other goal oriented young people, and go back to college. I'm not concerned about buying just yet, but I do agree that California will have another housing crash, it has had several since the 1980s if you read the book chapter on California in the book Regulatory Takings, by Dartmouth professor of land economics William Fischel.
I understand that folks move from Orange County to Gilbert, AZ. Well I live in Deer Valley, AZ, and in both of these places, you absolutely must have been trained in a profession, otherwise you're working at Circle K gas stations. So that training and mentoring is in Cali, it is NOT over here. ASU is full of parties and Tempe is in the nations top 6 most dangerous college towns. LA Jolla and Irvine are safe.
10-19-2016, 03:33 AM
Location: Orange County, CA to San Antonio, TX
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Or even $40,000. The quality of life in the oc and the nicer personalities, more laid back people, makes it worth the extra cost. Plus, jobs are unionized and pay more. And you don't have the annoying trust funders in Snobsdale. You also don't have nearly the drug problem as Phoenix and Scottsdale.
Nicer personalities and more laid back people? Are you talking about the same Orange County everyone else is on this thread?
10-19-2016, 05:59 AM
Location: Riverside Ca
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OC has been expensive since I moved here. Housing was ALWAYS expensive. Your pay still went only so far. Ok maybe in the 60/70s you could still buy a house on a normal blue collar job. But that started changing in the late 70s/early 80s.
10-19-2016, 09:25 AM
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There are plenty of nice places to live all over the country, and OC is just one of them. Still, if I were a millennial making 80K, I would not move here unless I had reasonable expectations for that income to steadily increase.
The other reason would be for professional training, or to take advantage of a good opportunity at a company, knowing that I could later transfer to a lower COL place if my salary did not go up.
That having been said, some millennials are still moving here,at least for now. They are flocking into Aliso Viejo, and single millennials are the largest group of new arrivals to AV. Things are not totally gloomy.
OC is also a good place to be a young entrepreneur.
Aliso Viejo is a hotbed of entrepreneurship among Southern California cities, study finds - The Orange County Register
There is an AV MeetUp for techies:
Tech Coast Angels
https://www.meetup.com/techcoastangels/
However, most young people who move to OC will likely need to make a mental shift in terms of housing. A single family residence will probably be unattainable. Still, condos/townhouses are within reach.
Here’s a sample of under $400K places, all in very safe neighborhoods:
https://www.redfin.com/CA/Rancho-Santa-Margarita/45-Gaviota-92688/unit-149/home/5312948 https://www.redfin.com/CA/Aliso-Viej...6/home/5610903 https://www.redfin.com/CA/Mission-Vi...4/home/5665037 https://www.redfin.com/CA/Aliso-Viej...6/home/5611637 https://www.redfin.com/CA/Laguna-Nig...4/home/5578691
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People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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